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WorstSniper
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Is it possible the United States of America could fall as a country? My classmates and history teacher were discussing/arguing about this. If it is possible list reasons why and support it.

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partydevil
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einstein invented the nuke in a american project.

partydevil
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Leo Szilard invented the nuke in a american project, same project as einstein was working on. i was not aware of that befor. but my statement doesn't change by it.

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One it was called the Manhattan project, two Einstein was a former German citizen who came to the US a refugee, he did not invent the nuclear bomb, he came up with discoveries that led to the creation of said bomb, he did not actually invent it, nor was it invented by Szilard who along with Einstein had sent a letter to the president warning them that Germany was attempting to create a nuke.

Also how exactly do you think the rest of the world harnessed nuclear weapons, the USA wasn't exactly giving away their schematics. Oh I know, they had been researching them and found a way to do it themselves.


Also since you seem to have this bigoted view on America, let me point out that in both world wars America was an isolationist country that only got involved once Europe had sufficiently screwed itself over. It was also European leaders that tried to practice appeasement and give Hitler land.

partydevil
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pre world wars there was nothing wrong whit the usa. but after you have been the hero of ww2 (not only military but absolutely also financial)(and whit ALOT of help from the russians. also canada and uk) it went to your head. being the hero part. since ww2 america has been fighting in almost evry conflict on the earth because they want that feeling of being the hero again. sure i can inmagion it feels nice. but you do not see how much more people the usa has killed then any other country. or how much damage you make to a country when you give rebels guns. even years after the actual conflicts there are still civil wars whit all american weapons. civil wars that where not possible if the usa didn't give weapons because the people didn't had need for weapons befor the conflict.

and when i know all this is actualy happening in the world and i turn my tv on and see america cry for 2 towers or cheer for someones death. while they kill so much more people. and make so much life's worse. i get sick about it.
i can't understand why the usa gotta be ignorand.

Kyouzou
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I love how you're calling the US ignorant, while writing a post filled with nothing but opinions, bring me facts and we'll talk.

Did we cheer when Bin Laden was killed, yes, was it wrong, yes. But I feel that we're justified considering the man orchestrated the death of over 2000 people.

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(and whit ALOT of help from the russians. also canada and uk) it went to your head. being the hero part. since ww2 america has been fighting in almost evry conflict on the earth because they want that feeling of being the hero again.



Erm, one of the reasons America joined WW2 was because Japan attacked the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, without a declaration of war or any warning which had a devastating impact: War was declared in retaliation. This was america protecting itself.
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Erm, one of the reasons America joined WW2 was because Japan attacked the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, without a declaration of war or any warning which had a devastating impact: War was declared in retaliation. This was america protecting itself.


Yep. The Japanese military was worried about the US Navy intervening in their takeover of South Asia. They attacked during a peace negotiation (against the will of their leader who wanted it to take place no less than 30 minutes after negotiations were broken off). They knew it was a mistake as soon as the attack began. Their admiral said "We won a great tactical victory at Pearl Harbor and thereby lost the war."
EmperorPalpatine
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The Japanese military was worried about the US Navy intervening in their takeover of South Asia.

During the time of the attack there were no allied ships in the Pacific. They were worried about what the US Navy might have done eventually, and by their fears, they started the very retaliation they wanted to avoid.
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During the time of the attack there were no allied ships in the Pacific. They were worried about what the US Navy might have done eventually, and by their fears, they started the very retaliation they wanted to avoid.


Not only that, but the US orchestrated a nasty embargo on little Japan, which is a resourceless little island
Whatever the case, just because the US dropped the bomb does not mean anything. A new bomb is nothing like the old, nor is their any proof that Americans have any long lasting history of wanting to damage civilian life. European wars were the root cause of total war that inflicts damage on civilians, and the bomb was dropped to keep more lives out of the mess.
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Not only that, but it was done to prevent the Russians from gaining a foothold on the island, we all know how Germany turned out, can you imagine how much different the world would be if that had happened to Japan?

In addition to this the Japanese emperor at the time of Pearl Harbor was not a figurehead he had actual power, he was either convinced or coerced into giving the go ahead for the attack by Tojo.

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It depends what you mean by fail, really. I dont think that the country will fail, even if we did default on our loans, which I dont think the politicians will let happen regardless of their rhetoric. I remember when I was in high school (yes im old) in the '80s and there was talk of Japan taking over the USA and the country failing and comparisons to the Roman Empire. We are still here, and there is no barbarian horde waiting across the border.

partydevil
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i wonder when you guys see that i talk about AFTER ww2. not before or during ww2.
usa had indeed a reason to join the war and ended the war whit the help of russia, canada and uk (and probably some more that ive forgot. but these are the mayor 4. whit usa and russia as biggest force)

bring me facts


russia liberated east europe.
canada liberated belgium and the netherlands
uk was fighting alongside of usa.

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after the war in Congo 1964, Guatemalan 1960 and Cambodia 1970 there has been civil wars whit american weapons on both sides. given to them by america during the war before the civil war.
congo had 3 civil wars after 1964 and still the weapons they use are usa made.
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Well fall , I don't exactly what you mean by ''fall'' but I think that you mean that if USA gets conquered or will fall apart in different nations.

I doubt that the USA will ever get conquered by another country and I also highly doubt that it will split apart in a revolution into different countries.

I do think that the USA might get a severe economic depression and will have a hard time paying back its debts . USA haves economic problems, they do have a lot of oil stocked up but if another resource comes into play then oil then all that oil stocked up would be worthless .

Also militairy expenses are high of the U.S.A and states such as Californea have a lot of debt.

I am not from USA so possibly someone from the USA might know more about the economic questions.

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they do have a lot of oil stocked up

Actually, we don't. In our regular emergency reserves that we use in disasters and such, we've got enough for a few weeks, maybe a month if we ration it. That's only there in case OPEC says 'none for you!' for a few days or a country decides to stop petrol negotiations for a week.
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russia liberated east europe.


If you call communism and puppet governments liberation then why not?

The US has as much right to protect their regional interests as anyone else, have they ****ed up? Of course, we're human AKA imperfect, but the point is to strive to do better, not to simply let the atrocities that happen in the world continue.
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