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bravehawk204
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DO you like President Obama, or do you think there's a presidential contender who would be better than him and why?

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bravehawk204
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sorry for the double post but post your response on my page or call me if you wan't to have a heated debate (my number is on my profile).

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As an American conservative, I think that Obama did a bad job as president for these reasons.
1. He established Obama Care which is a health care plan that will put us so far in debt that wee'll never recover.
2. He blames Bush for all the problems we have now (Ya I didn't like Bush either but the current president has to be held accountable for his actions).
3. Hes out campaigning for 2012 when its 2011 now and there are bigger problems than him becoming president 2012. Why won't he focus on our economy?
4. Hes never run a business before and he doesn't know how to run an economy.
5. The only change hes brought is a bad economy, growing national debt and losing all of our jobs to China.
6.(last reason) Gas prices, food prices, and products in general are having increasing prices because he won't drill for oil in Alaska which would create jobs building the oil rigs, drilling for oil and working on the rigs. We would have a growing economy if we drilled in Alaska.


Agreed, I believe he did a horrible job. Rather than pushing for change, he did what every other president before him did, which is establish costly programs and increasing government spending.

I may have heard wrong, but I believe we're experiencing some drug shortages, which was predicted to happen after obama care.
bravehawk204
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I believe you heard right and I also here that your a libertarian.

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I meant hear.

TheAtheist
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I believe we should have a change in government.
Kinda like a Social Democracy except we vote who we want. California should make marijuana legal and then tax the **** out of it so we can bring some money into this **** state. As far as what Obama has done lol man... He did a hell of a lot more than bush did trying to clean up his mess.

bravehawk204
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Both presidents were a mess. At least Bush kept his promises, and congratulations to Obama for killing bin laden but he can't run his whole campaign on it, I mean Bush got the war on terrorism started.

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Well, Bush promised not to raise taxes. He didn't. It just caused the debt to skyrocket. At least he kept his promise.


Who cares if he kept his promise? I would have been happier if he didn't. It's not like it's going to clean up his dad's legacy of not keeping promises, and it isn't as if the public doesn't expect for some promises to be broken. Also, he didn't just not raise taxes, he cut them. That caused the debt to skyrocket.

I may have heard wrong, but I believe we're experiencing some drug shortages, which was predicted to happen after obama care.


I have heard of it, too. But... since we're not in ObamaCare mode yet, I guess we can't blame it for the shortages?
Also, why would we have more shortages with it? If the reason for such a shortage is that more people would have access to medical help, then... that makes ObamaCare a good thing?

2. He blames Bush for all the problems we have now (Ya I didn't like Bush either but the current president has to be held accountable for his actions).


But what are his actions? I'm not saying Bush caused an economic downturn, but what I am saying is that Obama didn't, either. So it isn't his action. Unless you feel like he didn't do anything, then okay. But, my question to you is -- as a conservative, how do you suppose he could do something to fix the problem? You want him to focus on the economy, yet your political ideology is one of not having much intervention by the government in economic affairs. Sounds a little loopy.

4. Hes never run a business before and he doesn't know how to run an economy.


That doesn't help. Running a business requires knowledge of the market and leadership skills, not a genuine understanding of macro/micro-economics. Also, Bush, a businessman himself, didn't do much to save our economy, and he himself has had some bad business ventures.

6.(last reason) Gas prices, food prices, and products in general are having increasing prices because he won't drill for oil in Alaska which would create jobs building the oil rigs, drilling for oil and working on the rigs. We would have a growing economy if we drilled in Alaska.


Okay, on that one, I'm with you. WTF is he doing. Also, I wouldn't mind just American companies drilling. Wtf was bp doing in our gulf. [Btw, they are expecting to resume drilling]

3. Hes out campaigning for 2012 when its 2011

Come on, everyone does that. I know it looks bad but... everyone does that.

Rather than pushing for change,

How does one do that, exactly, without costly programs?
Another president of ours, Lyndon B. Johnson, established costly programs that spiked the national debt during the Vietnam war, and got some good results. [Although, the war really dragged his this down a bit].



I think that overall, given his circumstances, he's done a fairly good job. He isn't some amazing president, and though he can speak well I'm not sure yet as to how good of a leader he is. He's pretty funny, though . I'm chill with ObamaCare, so I feel like that's a good addition to his presidency. Furthermore, I think he's better than the rest of the possibles out there. I wouldn't mind someone with more political experience, though. I know it always doesn't matter, but I feel that Obama doesn't really speak up or push for his agenda/thoughts. Whatever the case, I know that if I were a year and 14 days older, I'd probably vote for the guy.
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You're standing up for Obama by blaming Bush when he hasn't been president for 3 years. Also if there's a medical shortage then that means that the producers are not working fast enough and Obama care is putting us so far in debt we will NEVER recover. You also say everyone campaigns in advance for president a year in advance, Obama is the president he shouldn't campaign a year early he should focus on our issues. Its okay for the republican nominees to campaign a year in advance because there not the president and they have no nationwide issues to deal with.

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You also say everyone campaigns in advance for president a year in advance, Obama is the president he shouldn't campaign a year early he should focus on our issues.


Okay, so he shouldn't. Yet, everyone still does. I also doubt that you fill ever find an incumbent president who won't, no matter how bad it's going, they will devote time to campaigning, whether they are Republicans or Democrats.

You're standing up for Obama by blaming Bush when he hasn't been president for 3 years.


No, I'm saying the economy went sour at a point, and we can say that was around when Bush was coming to a close. It stayed sour. Obama came in with it sour. Now what did you expect him to do? As a Republican, you don't enjoy government intervention, yet you want the President to fix things. He even cut taxes another 100 Billion for you this year.

Obama care is putting us so far in debt we will NEVER recover.


Yeah... I don't see it. It's not as if it isn't being paid for.


Also if there's a medical shortage then that means that the producers are not working fast enough


So how is that ObamaCare's fault? It's a sad issue the world will have to combat, but that doesn't make Obama look any worse. What if all the milk ran out tomorrow in the Earth -- would you really blame Obama for not somehow supplying the nation with milk?
bravehawk204
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No the housing market crashed them Obama screwed everything up with his liberal polices and he didn't that liberalism has never worked before in the history of mankind and he had no idea what he was doing. I'm not saying the economy wasn't going sour, but Obama had a hell lot he could of done to help it. Look at his polices and where they've gotten us. Were 13 TRILLION dollars in debt because of Obama and his stupidity.

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No the housing market crashed them Obama screwed everything up with his liberal polices and he didn't that liberalism has never worked before in the history of mankind and he had no idea what he was doing.


... What liberal policies? You're sounding like a die-hard republican who doesn't really know what's going on, and just wants to see the White house filled with those in red instead of blue.

Were 13 TRILLION dollars in debt because of Obama and his stupidity.

Right -- because none of that came from a 1.4 Billion dollar tax cut or a war, neither of which Obama did.

Lastly, Liberalism is the push for mankind and equality. Not crazy wacko lets do whatever Liberalism, but as history progresses, I see conservatives get less conservative.
[There is a lot of historical evidence behind this, such as child labor, progressive movements, civil rights, whatever]


So yeah,
liberalism has never worked before in the history of mankind and he had no idea what he was doing.


doesn't make much sense
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Ok I say were all ******! Until someone starts regulating gas prices which contribute to transportation being more expensive i.e. natural resources, food, machinery (These things need transport) were going to be in a deeper ****hole than where we are now. Solving that gas problem and having the government set regulations on wall street will, I believe, get the job done.
FYI, I don't really like to point fingers at who caused the economic recession were having here but from all the actions bush took it seems like he's responsible for where we are at now. Not Obama. The economy was already heading down during Bush's presidency. In matter of fact, the economy started slowing down 3-4 months after he was in office. Lets point out what Bush did that caused us to be here. When 9/11 happened we declared a war on terrorism. The war we had in Afghanistan was necessary no doubt but then there was Iraq lol ohhh Iraq. I can see why there is suspicion in which why the US would look into the country. If I was president and I heard there was WMD's in Iraq I would go investigate to HOWEVER when Colin Powell ( Also a fellow Republican ) told Bush that they didn't find any WMD's, Bush wasn't happy. Powell insisted there weren't any weapons of that sort. Shortly after Powell "resigned" from office, we invaded Iraq based on the confirmed report that there wasn't anything there. Now what could be in Iraq that Bush so badly wants? Hmm? Oh that's right! Doesn't his family have shares in oil. Not only that I got the hunch that he also wanted to avenge his dad because of what happened with his dad. Anyhow, remember how there is no regulation on wall street? Well since oil/gas is a private enterprise they can control the prices however much they want. The result? Rising gas prices with no way of stopping them. As for the housing market... That's because banks were lending out loans to people who work at Burger King making 20-30 grand a year to pay off a 230 grand house. Of course they're not going to be able to make their payments so the banks start to lose money so they go to the government for bailouts. 500 mil and the next thing you know 800 mil then 1 billion and so on. As for the houses the banks foreclose them. Banks are not in the business of buying or selling real estate but they have no choice but to take it as collateral. So what happens now? The value of homes depreciates and given 6-10 years we end up with what we have now.

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we invaded Iraq based on the confirmed report that there wasn't anything there.


About a year after 9/11, CIA Director George Tenet told Bush that the evidence for WMDs in Iraq was a 'slam dunk case.'

He didn't consult with Cheney, Powell, or Rumsfeld before deciding on the invasion.

Here's the CNN link:

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About a year after 9/11, CIA Director George Tenet told Bush that the evidence for WMDs in Iraq was a 'slam dunk case.'

He didn't consult with Cheney, Powell, or Rumsfeld before deciding on the invasion.


[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/]
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oops sorry

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