Sorry but i doubt Muslims in Afghanistan think as rational as you do in Egypt about the West. You're country had contact for a long time with Western culture, Western allies and peace with Israel. Then there's also the Nationality in the roots of the Egyptian culture, there's little nationality for many other countries that lack a good historic background to be proud of and that gets replaced with religion.
Sorry but i doubt Muslims in Afghanistan think as rational as you do in Egypt about the West
You don't know this for a fact, as stated before, there's extremists, we know and accept this, but a lot of Muslims disagree with terrorist activity. It is terrorist activities with a vendetta against the West - not Muslims.
Forget to ask, how is the general feelings in Egypt now after the revolution and who do you think should get elected (don't know if you can vote yet, age and all). And do you know anything about the copt's situation right now? I heard after Mubarak theres some clashes going on regularly between copts and Muslims.
You don't know this for a fact, as stated before, there's extremists
Oh stop being so naive. If you're country was conquered by the West and Imams would tell you regularly about how the West is destroying the world you wouldn't be so nice to them either.
Oh stop being so naive. If you're country was conquered by the West and Imams would tell you regularly about how the West is destroying the world you wouldn't be so nice to them either
Well i lived in America for a while and there was no tension about this whatsoever. Plus where i live has tension with the British invading our land and taking control, the tensions there but there's only a minority of extremists who act out against it. Plus, there was terrorist activity in London, which is close to home, so we have experienced it.
Yet Jefferysinspiration is right GoblinD, you can't know for a fact how people in Afganistan think about the rest of the world unless you lived there and had contact to those people. You might be right to a certain degree in the sense that there are probably more than average extremists there, but that doesn't mean that everybody there thinks like that. Also, how would you act if you had the Talibans so close to you? You probably wouldn't support the West openly, whatever you think about them.
Also, how would you act if you had the Talibans so close to you? You probably wouldn't support the West openly, whatever you think about them.
Ah a beautiful point that i didn't even think of: It's like Nazi Germany, everybody had to join the Hitler youth because of the punishment they would get if they didn't - I wonder if this kind of "recruitment" as such is forced on communities where terrorists live etc.
I think its funny how leftists like you think average people are so good and can so easily get along with each other. The truth is its not all about flowers and peaceful protests here, hatred and fear is part of the everyday life for people living in extreme conditions like Afghanistan, Gaza or Sudan. I live in the middle east, I have my share of contact with those kind of people. If you in the West think you're problems and situations are comparable to stuff going on in the outside world. You live in a bubble.
there's little nationality for many other countries that lack a good historic background to be proud of and that gets replaced with religion.
A historic backround got nothing to do with Religion.
Forget to ask, how is the general feelings in Egypt now after the revolution and who do you think should get elected
The revolution isn't completed yet in Egypt, the army isn't doing anything we asked for so we are having right now another Revolution, not as big as the first one but well..
And do you know anything about the copt's situation right now? I heard after Mubarak theres some clashes going on regularly between copts and Muslims.
If you mean by copts Christians then for me I feel nothing, all of my friends are Christians and our relationship didn't change at all.. Maybe some people are trying to destroy our relationship but that will never happen.
Also, how would you act if you had the Talibans so close to you? You probably wouldn't support the West openly, whatever you think about them.
Great point!
If you in the West think you're problems and situations are comparable to stuff going on in the outside world. You live in a bubble.
You might be right at some point, but don't make fun of other people's problems, this is mean. We as the middle east got major problems but that doesn't prevent us from being happy from our everyday life.. Might be hard but we are fighting!
The truth is its not all about flowers and peaceful protests here, hatred and fear is part of the everyday life for people living in extreme conditions like Afghanistan, Gaza or Sudan.
Did we say it was absolutely not the case? You should read better dude, we didn't. And I am aware you live in different conditions. You are just throwing people in the same pot a bit too often. Yes there are horrible things going on, yes there are extremists and hatred and manipulation. But not exclusively.
You might be right at some point, but don't make fun of other people's problems, this is mean.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying European problems are irrelevant. I also have some European and American friends myself. But I hate how people keep underestimating the problems out of europe, thinking there is no such thing as popular hatred and that the percentage of the radicals outside the west are little different then in it. That kind of assumption can only be caused by underestimating the conditions.
Thx for the answers btw.
A historic backround got nothing to do with Religion.
Everyone defines himself as whatever he wants. Yet one still needs to define himself as something. I bet that when given the question of "how do you define you'reself?", with answers: a. Christian/Muslim, b. Turkish/Egyptian (home country), c. Human In a place like USA more people would say C then in most other places. In a country like Egypt, more people would say B then in Afghanistan were more (almost everyone) would say A. What I am trying to say is that sometimes when people countries make actions like picking allies, the question of what matters more religion or nationality can make the difference.
What I am trying to say is that sometimes when people countries make actions like picking allies, the question of what matters more religion or nationality can make the difference.
Everyone understands the importance of religion in some places, and yes, places like Afghanistan might place more importance than most places, but the argument was that the majority of Muslims can't be blamed for the attacks the extremists are instigating and the western world cannot judge Islam as a whole for the terrorist activity.
Here's something about geopolitics: Most people are standbyers and want little to do with politics, just want to stay home and take care of their family. They will usually not take actions that could endanger them even if they think someone should. This can be seen many times in History and in the Holocaust in praticular. That means the minority of radicals do whatever they do with little opposition. In other words, the small radical groups are the ones that lead nations to war and peace. They are the ones that need to contacted to achieve agreements and this are the ones needed to be taken into considerations predicting actions by a community, nation or any other group.
