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novacek96
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id like to know where people stand on the legalization of weed. i personally am for it because it could greatly help the economy, plus hemp makes an extremely strong and long lasting paper so we wouldnt have to cut down trees. there are other reasons but i would like to know everyones opinion on WHY or WHY NOT we should legalize it.

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EmperorPalpatine
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I don't know about other countries, but in the USA its illegal on a federal level yet some states have allowed it for medical use. Which is odd because the federal government could start arresting people in those states.


Cannabis is regulated at a state level unless someone gets caught smuggling it across international boarders/ports, then it's a federal issue. They could ban or allow it nationwide, but that requires an act of congress. They find it easier leave it up to the states. Same with gun/alcohol/fireworks laws. They could do something like national prohibition with all of these, but they leave it up to the states.
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Do you really need a citation on how any drug affects any part (usually all) your mental abilities?
If you really do, then look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Effects

short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term and working memory
So it's only a short-term effect.
partydevil
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come live here in the netherlands, start smoking marijuana for some years and you will experice yourself that it's not only a short term effect.

Moe
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Cannabis is regulated at a state level unless someone gets caught smuggling it across international boarders/ports, then it's a federal issue. They could ban or allow it nationwide, but that requires an act of congress. They find it easier leave it up to the states.


In the 1970s, many places in the United States started to abolish state laws and other local regulations that banned possession or sale of cannabis. The same thing happened with cannabis sold as medical cannabis in the 1990s. All this is in conflicts with federal laws; cannabis is a Schedule I drug according to the Controlled Substances Act of 1970


It is very illegal on a federal level, they just have only enforced it when it comes to crossing international borders.
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come live here in the netherlands, start smoking marijuana for some years and you will experice yourself that it's not only a short term effect.

But your source told me it was just a short-term effect. Seriously, if you don't have any evidence for your claim, why make it?
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i have no need to seek a source. i know by doing.
i know there are loads of sources out there that all say different things. if i whold come up whit 1 that actualy does discribe the real effects you will be able to post a other source saying it's not like that.
it is the experience that my friends and i got from smoking marijuana for many years.

JoeBlade
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Anecdotal evidence, i.e. no evidence.
I can simply make the claim it doesn't have a long term effect on memory loss, right? Every claim needs a source, and you have found a source saying it was only a short-term effect. So you pretty much proved your own statement wrong.

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it is the experience that my friends and i got from smoking marijuana for many years


Those effects depend on how often and how much you smoke. The more you smoke more often the more likely such effects will develop.
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nd you have found a source saying it was only a short-term effect.


the source your talking about is not from me.

Those effects depend on how often and how much you smoke. The more you smoke more often the more likely such effects will develop.


true. if you smoke it only once a week or less. it's not likely it will happen. but we smoke weed as a relaxer the same way as some people drink a beer after work or some wine. it's not rare to smoke it evry day.
JoeBlade
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the source your talking about is not from me.

Whoops, sorry. I guess I just expected it to be.
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i have no need to seek a source. i know by doing.
i know there are loads of sources out there that all say different things. if i whold come up whit 1 that actualy does discribe the real effects you will be able to post a other source saying it's not like that.
it is the experience that my friends and i got from smoking marijuana for many years.


If you smoke often, you're going to forget often. Short term memory happens while you're high and if you're high every afternoon, you're going to have a hard time remembering those afternoons no matter whether you're high at that moment or not. This could be one reason why it feels like you have acquired memory loss.
partydevil
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If you smoke often, you're going to forget often. Short term memory happens while you're high and if you're high every afternoon, you're going to have a hard time remembering those afternoons no matter whether you're high at that moment or not. This could be one reason why it feels like you have acquired memory loss.


this doesn't explaine the example i gave befor about remembering the names of new people at work. i have never smoked marijuana befor or during my work,school or any other activeties. (it realy sucks to be active and stoned at the same time)
partydevil
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also is remembering back what you did when your stoned not the problem. those are long term memory's. what i mean whit short term memory can be seen as when you walk to your kitchen but when your their you forgot what you were going to do. or walk over to some1 because you have a question but at the point of asking you compleetly forget what it was.

als i didn't say "lose of short term memory" but "it damages the short term memory"

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Hi, I'm a few pages back, but the mod replied to what I said, so I will reply to what he/she said:

Your first point is sickening. That's like saying we should make premarital sex illegal just to prove to the world us Americans can abstain from having premarital sex. Proving a point is not a reason to create a law - ever.


Its not a good reason to create a law, but it will prove the point I suggested. That America is not mostly about ethics, but economizing everything with supply and demand.

2. You can't keep a substance illegal merely because people won't follow the rules associated with its legalization. That's redundant. Whether marijuana is legalized or not, it will always remain illegal for minors to smoke pot. You might as well legalize marijuana and keep the age restriction so those of us who are older won't be punished.

There are a number of different ways to keep children off drugs and prohibition is NOT the answer. You can't take a world full of both children and adults and treat all of them like children.


Why? Why can't we treat them all like children? A huge number of adults in America act as if they are still in their teen years. America provides substances and temptations that make people want to surrender to their impulses, and to forget about their responsibilities.

If a majority of Americans had any moral background except the Law and their opinions, then I wouldn't care. But most people aren't that way. They don't do things because they are afraid to go to jail for doing them. So if you make pot legal, there is no more fear behind it. There won't be a reason not to do it.

3. You're assuming the only reason people smoke marijuana is because it's illegal! This is FALSE. People smoke marijuana because, as a drug, it's safer than alcohol and healthier than cigarettes. Let me say it again, most people don't do drugs because they are illegal.

If the majority of marijuana smokers are smoking marijuana only because it's illegal, then why do people use K2? K2, for a while, was a legal alternate for marijuana, and people did K2 because it was LEGAL. K2 is supposed to be similar to marijuana, except it's actually a **** drug all around. It gives off a horrible high, it is unhealthy, and it makes many people sick.

People abused K2 because it was legal, but ask anyone who used K2 if they would rather smoke legalized marijuana and they will surely say "yes".


First of all, people don't smoke Marijuana because it is safe. They smoke it because it gives a different effect than alcohol or cigarettes, and is relatively cheap to produce.

And I never said cigarettes or alcohol (In excess) were good to begin with. I think cigarettes should be illegal, and people should be urged not to get wasted with alcohol.

And your last paragraph is assuming I think K2 should have been legalized. I'm not taking the standpoint of the Law here, as you seem to have assumed. Any drug that people use to alter their perception of reality wastes time and money. There are millions of other helpful things you could be doing for people who aren't fortunate enough to have enough money to waste it using drugs. By taking them just shows how selfish, wasteful, and maybe even guilty you are.
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Its not a good reason to create a law, but it will prove the point I suggested. That America is not mostly about ethics, but economizing everything with supply and demand.


The point you suggested? I thought your point was this:

1: By legalizing it, it will be proof that Americans won't abstain from something that they enjoy.


What you originally said had nothing to do with economics, but rather the fact that Americans can't abstain from something they enjoy.

What's this you say about economizing anyway? Is economizing supposed to be a scary word? We can either allow marijuana to become a part of the economy, or keep it illegal. I don't really see any other alternatives.

Why? Why can't we treat them all like children? A huge number of adults in America act as if they are still in their teen years. America provides substances and temptations that make people want to surrender to their impulses, and to forget about their responsibilities.


Like pre-marital sex?

It's true that Americans do sometimes surrender personal responsibilities to give into their impulses, but so does the rest of the world. It's normal for this to happen occasionally. Not only that, but usually it's not a very big deal. People all over the world are known to do things such as play video games instead of study, sleep in and call off work, finish a TV show before making dinner, and so on.

Now, I'm assuming that when you say Americans surrender their responsibilities, you mean they do so to the point where it causes problems. I can argue that everyone, again, all over the world, have a few issues. Some people like to drink, some like to play video games, others like to stay up late to read and get little sleep. Oh, and some people like to have pre-marital sex.

Just because an individual can abuse marijuana doesn't mean that particular individual will.

If a majority of Americans had any moral background except the Law and their opinions, then I wouldn't care.


I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. I'm an atheist, so am I included?

They don't do things because they are afraid to go to jail for doing them. So if you make pot legal, there is no more fear behind it. There won't be a reason not to do it.


First of all, not everyone will smoke marijuana. Second, who says we're trying to make people not smoke marijuana?

If you don't want someone who is close to you to smoke marijuana, then it's up to YOU to stop them, not the government.

And your last paragraph is assuming I think K2 should have been legalized.


No, I never assumed that you thought K2 should be legalized. In fact, I was fully aware that you would not support the fact that it's legal. My point was that criminalizing marijuana lead people to try more harmful "legal" substances. Yes, K2 is becoming illegal, but that doesn't stop people from trying to find other ways to get high legally. When people find alternative ways to get high, they often stumble upon something that is much more unhealthy than marijuana.

By keeping marijuana illegal, people are finding legal alternatives that are worse for their health. You can keep making each and every new substance that pops up illegal, but it would be far more easier to legalize a substance that is less harmful than alcohol is every single way.

Any drug that people use to alter their perception of reality wastes time and money.


Video games are a waste of time and money. Most TV programs are a waste of time and money. Porn is a waste of time, money, and semen. Art is a waste of paper. Church is a waste of time, money, and resources. Race cars are a waste of materials and gasoline. Sports are a waste of time and money. Fried foods are unhealthy and therefore a waste of money.

There are millions of other helpful things you could be doing for people who aren't fortunate enough to have enough money to waste it using drugs. By taking them just shows how selfish, wasteful, and maybe even guilty you are.


I think I broke a blood vessel in my eye...

1. We have the right to do whatever we want with our own money. If you don't like how I spend my money, then too bad. It's my money that I WORKED for. Don't tell me how to spend my money.

We have the right to "waste", or rather, spend our money however we want. Whether we're wasting it or not doesn't really matter at all. If marijuana is kept illegal because it's a "waste" of money, then we should also ban video games, porn, and everything else I listed previously.

2. If it's "selfish" to buy marijuana so that one can make themselves happy, then it must also be "selfish" for them to buy movie tickets, football tickets, video games, and so on.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


What every happened to the pursuit of happiness?

By taking them just shows how selfish, wasteful, and maybe even guilty you are.


Selfish? For spending money on ourselves? God forbid I use my money to have a good time.

I "waste" my money on video games, I guess you'll tell me that video games should be illegal too.

Wasteful? Again, video games.

Guilty? That one is just hilarious. Guilty of what? Guilty of smoking marijuana? If marijuana wasn't a crime, then no one would be guilty. Problem solved.
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