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notinthepie3
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I'm not sure how well this thread will go, but here it is anyway. Click to hear the story. It freaks me out, because I was just at a small summer camp this week. It wasn't nearly as big as the youth camp, but this story still freaks me out. I can't imagine what families are going through right now. My heart and prayers goes out to anyone who was affected by this terrible tragedy. Please read all of this article.

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loloynage2
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Or just don't go to Norway.

There are more crime related deaths in the US every year.
Turtelman1234
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I'm shocked that his penalty is just twenty-one years in jail. That seems to be such a low penalty for so heinous a crime


I'm surprised he wasn't shot on the spot. If this happened in the U.S. , that's probably what would've happened.
PanzerTank
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I'm surprised he wasn't shot on the spot. If this happened in the U.S. , that's probably what would've happened.

I agree, I'm shocked a Norweigian cop didn't handcuff him and shoot him on the spot after beating him up a bit. Killing dozens, upon dozens of kids the way he dead...
Turtelman1234
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Maybe the other people in jail will do him in. I heard that in the U.S. at least, that people who commit crimes against children are the lowest in the ladder. Prisoners have their own code. That's what happened to Jeffery Daumer.

PanzerTank
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Maybe the other people in jail will do him in.

I'm doubtful, you still see plenty of people who committed crimes against kids outside and moving about that were in jail.
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I'm sorry that security is only valued in a country after similar things happen to it. but even then, the population quickly forgets, and again, things like this happen. If this was the US, he wouldn't have been able to get to the island before being stopped. If this was Israel, he could forget about parking a car bomb in a public square, in front of the prime ministers office, and would quickly be stopped in the youth camp.

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One why do you attack Norway and Two the only reason terrorists attacked Norway was because they were about to export a radical Imam. But still thats no good reason to attack a Norwegian city.


do you follow the news? it were no terrorists that attacked norway.
(this is what i ment whit the hype to call evrything a terrorist action.)

If this was the US, he wouldn't have been able to get to the island before being stopped. If this was Israel, he could forget about parking a car bomb in a public square, in front of the prime ministers office, and would quickly be stopped in the youth camp.


ow yes the US and Israel are real safe places xD
no crimes happen in those countrys because there is such a good security.
(what a bullsh!t, if there are only 2 places in the world whit violent people then it would be those 2.)
GoblinD
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ow yes the US and Israel are real safe places xD

Terror attack attempts here are almost daily but since this new unit was formed a few reforms were taken about 10 years ago, its extremely rare that an attack actually gets through. Don't know about USA but here the crime deaths are pretty low even for a completely modern country.
Maybe that's why tourism is good here. Overall the life expectancy is one of the highest in the world, even with all the wars and stuff.


(what a bullsh!t, if there are only 2 places in the world whit violent people then it would be those 2

Much worst then N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Kurdistan, Congo, Latin America, etc. (really?)
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have you ever visited israel? i can tell you nothing about U.S but israel is very peacefull when it comes to crimes inside the country. ive never felt any danger while living here and israel is usually prepared for most things

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i wouldn't be surprised if the suspect ended up in a mental institution

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Haven't read the thread, have no intention to either.
However, this both saddens me and enrages me when I watch the reports throughout the day. It is both sad and horrible that someone, anyone can think of violence and terror as a proper measure against anything. In this case as both revenge against a democracy that didn't listen to the extreme thoughts of this man, and as a demonstration against Islam.
This especially comes as a shock here in Scandinavia where such crimes and tragedies aren't commonplace, and never thought to be. I guess it is a mass-"it won't happen to us"-delusion, but we kinda thought that WW2 put an end to those individuals that think of themselves as better than other nations, religions or ethnicities.
Whether to be relieved or horrified that this was a native, nationalistic individual, I can't figure out, but the support his action gets from certain groups in society...
I have no words.

I'm surprised he wasn't shot on the spot. If this happened in the U.S. , that's probably what would've happened.

Except Norway isn't the US. Not many people have guns, rifles or any other lethal weapon handy around here. As far as I know there are no permission to use lethal force defending yourself or others either, which would make such an event even worse to those who did it.
Not to mention the shooting happened at a youth camp. On an island.
The woman who companied him there even got suspicious, told the guard/island cop, and then got shot as the first. No one was capable of actually doing anything, and considering this guy was dressed as a cop as well made many of the survivors rather insecure that the real cops weren't in it as well...
This of how that could have turned out, with a scared, paranoid kid and a gun, first shooting down the actual killer, and then start shooting at the cops...

I agree, I'm shocked a Norweigian cop didn't handcuff him and shoot him on the spot after beating him up a bit.

Because lowering yourself down to his level will make everything better?
Beating up and then terminating a prisoner, for whatever reason, seems rather uncivilised to me.

i wouldn't be surprised if the suspect ended up in a mental institution

Except the descriptions of him makes him seem both calm and collected, not a madman running rampant, but someone knowingly doing this to get to his goal.

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...According to that article, he will receive a maximum of 21 years in prison for killing a hundred people? Good luck with that.

So a religiously motivated person killed people. Again. Correct? Why does everyone wonder why I hate religion so much when things like happen?

This of how that could have turned out, with a scared, paranoid kid and a gun, first shooting down the actual killer, and then start shooting at the cops...


Possibly, but wouldn't that have been better than the actual killer killing around 98 people? Lets say that there was someone with a gun who had shot him and then ten cops, with half of the probably armored cops receiving fatal wounds. You still have less deaths than this madman running around with no opposition.

Except the descriptions of him makes him seem both calm and collected, not a madman running rampant, but someone knowingly doing this to get to his goal.


By this logic, Hitler was complexly sane. It isn't acting calm that makes you sane, it is acting sane.
Turtelman1234
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Except Norway isn't the US. Not many people have guns, rifles or any other lethal weapon handy around here


Neither do people in the U.S. . Maybe in some areas, you'll see it more often, but most of the time, nobody has their gun with them.

This of how that could have turned out, with a scared, paranoid kid and a gun, first shooting down the actual killer, and then start shooting at the cops...


I never said I'm surprised a kid didn't shoot him. What I meant was I'm surprised when the cops found him, they didn't shoot him right there.
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So a religiously motivated person killed people. Again. Correct? Why does everyone wonder why I hate religion so much when things like happen?

It was more racism here, neo Nazis aren't very much religious. I mean, he was more thinking "the christian race" or "the European race" then "kill infidels".
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I still find this direction of discussion a bit too morbid.

By this logic, Hitler was complexly sane. It isn't acting calm that makes you sane, it is acting sane.

Hitler didn't stand next to his victims firing off a gun several times to make sure they were dead.
I don't know much about psychology, I can't say whether he is completely insane or anything, but the way he is described makes him sound more like a terrorist than some random wackjob.

As for religion (and let that part of the discussion stop here, because it makes this thread turn around...), he was mainly motivated by politics. He wanted a clean country without Muslims, and while Christianity has been mentioned, it does seem to be based on revenge against a democracy that doesn't want to kick out Muslims, rather than anything else.

What I meant was I'm surprised when the cops found him, they didn't shoot him right there.

It isn't in our culture, really.
Which perhaps is sad, but that's how it is. More trouble to shoot the killer, than to arrest him and let "justice" do its thing.
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