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notinthepie3
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I'm not sure how well this thread will go, but here it is anyway. Click to hear the story. It freaks me out, because I was just at a small summer camp this week. It wasn't nearly as big as the youth camp, but this story still freaks me out. I can't imagine what families are going through right now. My heart and prayers goes out to anyone who was affected by this terrible tragedy. Please read all of this article.

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HahiHa
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I agree, I'm shocked a Norweigian cop didn't handcuff him and shoot him on the spot after beating him up a bit. Killing dozens, upon dozens of kids the way he dead...

Because it's not in the power of the cop to decide about his punishment. As long as the suspect didn't oppose resistance to the police, there was no reason to kill him.

If this was the US, he wouldn't have been able to get to the island before being stopped.

Are you sure? He had a police uniform and carrying guns openly isn't as bizarre in the US as it is in Norway. Sadly, he planned it well; security was already busy by the explosions that just happened in Oslo.

do you follow the news? it were no terrorists that attacked norway.
(this is what i ment whit the hype to call evrything a terrorist action.)

It was not Al Qaida, sure. But can't we speak of a 'western/christian' terrorist? I mean he saw himself as a templar and hadn't he extremistic politic and religious motivations? I don't want to twist it to make it look like that if it isn't, but for what we know now, he doesn't look to different from an islamist to my eyes.
Turtelman1234
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It isn't in our culture, really.


That can be very life-threatening. Those cops are very lucky he didn't shoot them. Did they even expect him to be a threat?
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It was not Al Qaida, sure. But can't we speak of a 'western/christian' terrorist? I mean he saw himself as a templar and hadn't he extremistic politic and religious motivations? I don't want to twist it to make it look like that if it isn't, but for what we know now, he doesn't look to different from an islamist to my eyes.

I have to agree he was just like islamic terrorists except in this case he was against Islam and any other non-white people in norway. Apparently he had a rather large manifesto as well. Heres a link to the link of said manifesto.
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That can be very life-threatening. Those cops are very lucky he didn't shoot them. Did they even expect him to be a threat?

Just got the sad report in the news, that they did know there was a shooting 7 minutes after it had started. It took an hour for them to actually come to the island properly equipped and arrest him (while I don't know how that went, I kinda assume he gave up, as to make sure he could blow up the court case with all his ideas). The police says there was no way to decrease that time, as everything went on as fast as possible.
Meanwhile, one of the young people there say he and several others kept calling the police, but no one took them seriously.

And, while I will probably leave this topic now, since I get enough on this topic in the news, I will however point out that making this about some sort of religious war is stupid.
Several times, at least here, it has been pointed out he went after the young members of Arbeiterpartiet, because they were the image of democracy and unity.
Sure, he had a large manifesto on the whole "no foreigners of any kind, because they ruin the country", but he still went after young Norwegians, Danes (and Swedes, presumably. Not quite sure how many nationalities were around).

Doesn't make him less like any other terrorist, though, but a lot different from anything religious, just as any other terrorist using religion that specifically states you are not allowed to kill as a reason to do exactly that.

I could say a lot more about him, but probably nothing fit for these forums (especially after he admitted to the killings, but pleas not guilty in any criminal activity, however that is effing possible), but instead I will just give a nod to the Norwegians, who seem to be taking this as great as anyone could have, and showing that the unity the terrorist was so against still lives strong.
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Meanwhile, one of the young people there say he and several others kept calling the police, but no one took them seriously


This whole situation just worked out perfectly for the shooter, sadly enough. A terrorist couldn't have asked for a better opportunity.
HahiHa
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It took an hour for them to actually come to the island properly equipped and arrest him (while I don't know how that went, I kinda assume he gave up, as to make sure he could blow up the court case with all his ideas).

Yeah, he wanted to be able to explain his reasons for what he did; he demanded to be able to explain himself publicly, while wearing one of his uniforms. Luckily they didn't let him.

Meanwhile, one of the young people there say he and several others kept calling the police, but no one took them seriously.

I think what you mean is that they called the emergency line, and were told not to call, that the lines were to be kept free for matters related to the bomb attentate in Oslo. Still, I don't see why emergency lines should be exclusive, be it even to a bomb attentate.
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Yeah, he wanted to be able to explain his reasons for what he did; he demanded to be able to explain himself publicly, while wearing one of his uniforms. Luckily they didn't let him.

They should give him as little publicity as possible.

Anyway, I am afraid we are going to see copycats.
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ow yes the US and Israel are real safe places xD
no crimes happen in those countrys because there is such a good security.
(what a bullsh!t, if there are only 2 places in the world whit violent people then it would be those 2.)

Let me guess: European left-winged anti-USA/Israel bias...

So a religiously motivated person killed people. Again. Correct?

No, not really according to his Manifest:
Iâm not going to pretend Iâm a very religious person as that would be a lie. Iâve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think;
âReligion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.â
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I'm surprised he wasn't shot on the spot. If this happened in the U.S. , that's probably what would've happened.

Rereading what I wrote, I realize this is irrational.
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I'm shocked a Norweigian cop didn't handcuff him and shoot him on the spot after beating him up a bit.

I mean rereading this I realize it's irrational
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I have to agree he was just like islamic terrorists except in this case he was against Islam and any other non-white people in norway. Apparently he had a rather large manifesto as well. Heres a link to the link of said manifesto.


I know it's a human reaction to try and convey political meaning to insane actions, but sometimes I think we just have to call meaningless, meaningless. It serves no one to demonise right wing politics as the cause of this. It should be very clear to anyone that has read his diary entries that his psychology informed his politics and not the other way round.
HahiHa
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To be clear, when I stated the reasons why I would call him a terrorist, I didn't intend to attack christianity and right wing politics. To be honest I'm not too fond of both but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. I just said he had extremistic motivations, well not so much in religious manners as it seems now, but more in political ones. He is against multicultural, marxistic societies and is convinced that what he wants, cannot be reached by democratic means anymore, and thus did what he did. And I have to agree to this to a certain part:

It should be very clear to anyone that has read his diary entries that his psychology informed his politics and not the other way round.
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I have to agree he was just like islamic terrorists except in this case he was against Islam and any other non-white people in norway.


That depends if you are a theist or an atheist. The radical Islamic groups act out of misinterpreted religious beliefs.

This man acted upon his political beliefs. They really shouldn't be compared.
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Very interesting to hear what his motives for doing this was. From what I interpret, I believe he is hoping will rise like him and hurt islamic extremists. I am sure he was hoping what he did would tip the iceberg and start something crazy. Who knows what will happen. I do find it interesting he is getting 21 max yrs and in america go to jail longer for drugs. That's kind of confusing.

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most likly he had more reasons to do it.
ive also heared that he did it to show people that no1 is safe from attacks like this. not even norway. and that that is the reason why he did the attack. just to show that any non-white-european could do it aswell

by this reason you can't call him a terrorist. just a copycat of a terrorist that trys to open our eyes for real terrorist attacks.

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