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Forums → WEPR → At least 85 dead in Norway
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I'm not sure how well this thread will go, but here it is anyway. Click to hear the story. It freaks me out, because I was just at a small summer camp this week. It wasn't nearly as big as the youth camp, but this story still freaks me out. I can't imagine what families are going through right now. My heart and prayers goes out to anyone who was affected by this terrible tragedy. Please read all of this article.
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Who knows what will happen.
He won't start anything in that country, the right in Norway is scattered and badly organised, they are also vastly unpopular, this will probably only serve to increase that.
I do find it interesting he is getting 21 max yrs
If thats true then it's completely shameful! 21 years for killing 92 young adults and blowing up several civil servants.
i just don't understand why he can get max 21 years.
just don't call the summercamp a terrorist attack. make that 86 times murder and also the 21 year for terrorism in oslo.
i just don't understand why he can get max 21 years.
Last I heard, he might get 30 years. But let's wait until the sentence is decided.
just don't call the summercamp a terrorist attack.
They want to make it a crime against humanity, which if I'm right gets longer. I wonder if they'll be able to.
make that 86 times murder
76, for the records. They counted some corpses double. Doesn't make it any better of course.
Did you know that the cops in Norway aren't allowed to carry guns which if you see a guy killing people with a machine gun you have to get permission from the government to shoot a gun and you have to pick it up at the police head quarters then go back to stop the guy so he had plenty of time to kill people.
Did you know that the cops in Norway aren't allowed to carry guns which if you see a guy killing people with a machine gun you have to get permission from the government to shoot a gun and you have to pick it up at the police head quarters then go back to stop the guy so he had plenty of time to kill people.
this is how the world worked befor usa went mad about terrorism.
what good times those were... all we get now is violence.
Did you know that the cops in Norway aren't allowed to carry guns which if you see a guy killing people with a machine gun you have to get permission from the government to shoot a gun and you have to pick it up at the police head quarters then go back to stop the guy so he had plenty of time to kill people.
That's not completely right:
Norwegian police do not carry firearms on a daily basis; they keep them locked down in the patrol cars, and if need arises they have to get permission by the police commissioner or someone authorized by him or her. If there is no time to contact a superior, a police officer may arm himself and anyone under his command. From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately 79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004. [1]
As a part of the anti-terror work after the September 11, 2001 attacks, every regional area has its own mobile unit which is specially trained to handle these types of missions.
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If thats true then it's completely shameful! 21 years for killing 92 young adults and blowing up several civil servants.
In Norway you can max. get 21 years of prison. There's no life sentence. BUT you can get custody after those 21 years which basically means that they can keep you in jail as long as you're a danger to the public.
In Norway you can max. get 21 years of prison. There's no life sentence. BUT you can get custody after those 21 years which basically means that they can keep you in jail as long as you're a danger to the public.
do you mean he can get max 21 years for 1 deed?
then you can count 76 times 5 years. and he will be gone forever aswell =)
IMO He's just a psychopathic person. He killed ~80 children and young adults just to tell the world about his hate to muslims. Also, he'll probably be known by everyone in the world, and under known I don't mean popularity. I think everyone should hate such a person & isolate him from society forever - that's the most they can do in Norway.
P.S. I may be too cruel, but that's sad they do't have Ñapital punishment in Norway.
do you mean he can get max 21 years for 1 deed?
then you can count 76 times 5 years. and he will be gone forever aswell =)
No, all together. But like I said he can get custody and therefore still stay in prison for all his life.
I really hope he does get a longer sentence, this is just sickening. Killing 80+ people just to make a stupid political statement? Why? Why would you do that? It's just stupid and sad. There are times when I just lose faith in humanity, this is one of them. But seeing some of the responses in this thread helps to restore it at least...
I am actually researching this article for school and I noticed that he thinks he was being patriotic.
Also, I don't know if anyone's noticed or seen this, but this guy is being treated way differently (in terms of how people view him as a terrorist) than most other recent terrorists. It seems like if a Muslim commits a terrorist crime then the world holds all Muslims at least partly responsible but, because this guy was white and a Christian, he's been branded as pretty much a lone wolf and nobody seems to be calling for the burning of churches or anything.
I just said he had extremistic motivations, well not so much in religious manners as it seems now, but more in political ones. He is against multicultural, marxistic societies and is convinced that what he wants, cannot be reached by democratic means anymore, and thus did what he did.
It just seemed that you and some others implied his motivations were primarily political and not psychological. Anyone who believes in the EUrabia conspiracy theory (that the leaders of the EU made a secret deal with Muslim states to let immigration continue in return for oil) is clearly not of sound mind. Although I maintain these attacks are not a valid platform for mounting political attacks on right wing groups, I will say that there is danger in letting extremist groups spread propaganda, as in cases like this, insane paranoid people act on it with tragic consequences.
Well, I think I have to disagree with you, Avorne. First of all he wasn't in a terrorist organisation (as far as I know) so it's normal to see him as a lone wolf. But there are also people who blame right-winged or conservative politicians and atheists who speak out against Islam. For example:
The gravest threat we face from terrorism, as the killings in Norway by Anders Behring Breivik underscore, comes not from the Islamic world but the radical Christian right and the secular fundamentalists who propagate the bigoted, hateful caricatures of observant Muslims and those defined as our internal enemies. The caricature and fear are spread as diligently by the Christian right as they are by atheists such as Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. Our religious and secular fundamentalists all peddle the same racist filth and intolerance that infected Breivik. This filth has poisoned and degraded our civil discourse. The looming economic and environmental collapse will provide sparks and tinder to transform this coarse language of fundamentalist hatred into, I fear, the murderous rampages experienced by Norway. I worry more about the Anders Breiviks than the Mohammed Attas.
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Breiviks cites different authors who "influenced" him. The German journalist Henryk M. Broder is also cited. So the German media is partly blaming him too (List of different articles in German). People don't know really why he did it so they are looking for a reason...
Well, I think I have to disagree with you, Avorne. First of all he wasn't in a terrorist organisation (as far as I know) so it's normal to see him as a lone wolf. But there are also people who blame right-winged or conservative politicians and atheists who speak out against Islam. For example:
I meant it more in the sense of blaming the religion rather than the person - whenever a radical Muslim commits a terrorist act, it's Islam that gets blamed.
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