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Still don't get it, do you? First, it's impossible to find 4 witnesses. Second, it's impossible to find 4 witnesses, who are reliable. Let's say you have found 4 witnesses. How do you know they are 100% reliable. Nobody on the world is 100% reliable. At last, I didn't see any.

As I said. It's already impossible to find 4 reliable witnesses. But if you find 4 reliable witnesses, then, yes. 100 lashes for the adulter. No kidding.

Still don't know who will go to Hell or Heaven. Even if this person is a disbeliever.

5:38 As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

I could go on and on... Half of the Quran is about disbelievers going to hell.

Thats only if the item stolen is over a certain value (not sure how much exactly), and if it is valuble,

This is done to warn people about the punishment of the afterlife. There are also many passages about heaven in the afterlife.

2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

So... Do you like being muslim? Do you enjoy it?

Why are you making such lousy excuses for such a barbaric punishment? It's possible to find 4 witnesses for example if you get caught in the forest by a bunch of hikers. And that's not the point. The point is the punishment which is cruel and injust.

If Allah is the one preventing us from believing as this would clearly indicate, how is it our fault for not believing and how is it just to be punished for what we can't help?

Do you like being muslim? Do you enjoy it?

Why is it cruel and injust?

Those who make a decision to reject God are helped in that direction; they are prevented by God from seeing any proof or guidance for as long as they maintain such a decision.

"Well we caught you steeling bread from the store. So logically, we are now cutting off your hands. What is this 'bill of rights' nonsense you keep spewing out?"

Seems pretty straight forward to me, "If you don't believe you never will. Go to hell", unless somehow Allah is confused on how to word things properly.

Those who make a decision to reject God are helped in that direction; they are prevented by God from seeing any proof or guidance for as long as they maintain such a decision.

Cutting a hand off is not a easy thing as you think. There are many rules for it. Your hand will not be cut off for stealing bread. If someone is stealing because he/she needs it, the hand will be not cut off. But if this person is stealing because he/she thinks it is fun to do it, then it should be cut off.

btw, which idiot is gonna steal for fun?

It will only get worser, is what's been ment with these verses. There's a possibility for you to believe. There always was. You can believe everytime you want. Nobody that stops you. But if you say, no I don't want to, go away... then... as the verses says, your hearts will be sealed and your eyes will be covered. And you will go to Hell. But you can still convert to Islam, not?

Please don't say things like that metallifan2 it's hurtful and doesn't contribute to the thread.

Are there any islamic stories that you like or think are intresting?

Because cutting off the hand is a serious matter, it should not be done for just any case of theft. A combination of conditions must be fulfilled before the hand of a thief is cut off. These conditions are as follows:

1- The thing should have been taken by stealth; if it was not taken by stealth, then the hand should not be cut off, such as when property has been seized by force in front of other people, because in this case the owner of the property could have asked for help to stop the thief.

2- The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.

2- The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic Dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic Dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.

3- The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away, i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.

4- The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.

5- The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thiefâs) hand does not have to be cut off.

If these conditions are fulfilled, then the hand must be cut off. If this ruling was applied in the societies which are content with man-made laws and which have cast aside the Shareeâah of Allaah and replaced it with human laws, this would be the most beneficial treatment for this phenomenon.

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Got to say this whole hand cutting off thing isn't making the religion look that great.

ok i am a musli and i respect quran but come on dont you think the words in the quran (some of them) are for arabs in the age that muslims rised ... cause in those days arabs were like savages and god needed to put somethings in quran so muslims could controll them but now the cutting hands the throwing from mountain ... arnt for this time we should punnish bad ppl with this time and generation punnishmants ...

i am a muslim and i say that some words in quran are for 1000 years ago arabs and now we should update them