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Any questions about Islam, ask it here?

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Reiki000
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I don't know if i'm missing the point or not.
Do you mean can anyone convert to Islam?
If so - they of course a person can.

Yes, I ment that.

I know many Muslims who don't know any Arabic, and read English Qu'ran. So i think the majority of Modern Islam is kind of inaccurate. Just my two cents.

It's not bad to read English Qur'an. As I said, there are some verses which are inaccurate in a translation, but accurate in another translations. That's why to read different translations, instead of just one.

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It's not bad to read English Qur'an. As I said, there are some verses which are inaccurate in a translation, but accurate in another translations. That's why to read different translations, instead of just one


Yeah it's the same with the Bible.

The only problem i have is pronunciation.
I learn some Arabic at college, but not much.
Do you know any accurate online sites to help with?
Reiki000
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Do you know any accurate online sites to help with?

This is a good site.

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Well can't find the argument from yesterday...Time for a new question.

How do you feel about your religion being associated with terrorism? Other religions bomb a tone of stuff, but yours seems to be the most famous for it.

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How do you feel about your religion being associated with terrorism? Other religions bomb a tone of stuff, but yours seems to be the most famous for it.

How do you think I feel? I really wonder why people think Islam is associated with terrorism. Islam is not associated with terrorism, sure not. That's just BS.

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How do you think I feel? I really wonder why people think Islam is associated with terrorism. Islam is not associated with terrorism, sure not. That's just BS.


It probably has something to do with this guy:

http://www.september11news.com/OsamsBinLaden2Lrg.jpg

saying things like:

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

and

2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

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2:217 They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.


From what I understand, it sounds pretty easy to convince someone to attack when it says things like this. Also the famous virgins:

2:25 And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: this is what was given us aforetime; and it is given to them in resemblance. There for them are pure companions; there for ever they abide.

Or at least that is what I think they say. Allah is Confusing, Cruel, And Poor in English.
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I really wonder why people think Islam is associated with terrorism.


because of people like geert wilders
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It probably has something to do with this guy

It probably has something to do with this country(this country created this man):
http://jeffbarrettdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Made-in-USA1.jpg

2:191

Out of context!

"You may fight in the cause of God against those who attack you, but do not aggress. God does not love the aggressors. You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers. If they refrain, then God is Forgiver, Most Merciful. You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship God freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.(Qur'an 2:190-193)"

2:217

What's so bad about this verse? Fighting in the sacred months are forbidden.

Also the famous virgins:

What's so bad about these virgins? If you think a bit, you would understand that it just describes what you can get in Heaven. What? EVERYTHING! That's it. So nothing bad about virgins.

314d1 is confusing, cruel, and poor in thinking.
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because of people like geert wilders

This guy is just a moron who's trying to sound smart. It's just BS what he's talking about. "Nothing against muslims, but something against Islam". Moron he is.

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It probably has something to do with this country(this country created this man):


We should be punished for something our ancestors did? Arming and training an unstable dictator we put in power to keep out communists or something was a bad idea, but I think it has more to do with this:

"You may fight in the cause of God against those who attack you, but do not aggress. God does not love the aggressors. You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers. If they refrain, then God is Forgiver, Most Merciful. You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship God freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.(Qur'an 2:190-193)"


I saw that part, and worded my response accordingly. Basically all you have to do is yell "THEY STARTED IT!" like a first grader in a fist fight and people will die for you do to these verses.

What's so bad about this verse? Fighting in the sacred months are forbidden.


Really? Is that what it says? It seems to me more like he is saying "If anyone tries to turn you from your religion, kill them" or something. He is really bad at English.

What's so bad about these virgins? If you think a bit, you would understand that it just describes what you can get in Heaven. What? EVERYTHING! That's it. So nothing bad about virgins.


If you die like the guy in the beard tells you to, you get virgins. If it wasn't enough to die for your religion then, it would put people on the fast track to Kamikaze land.

And aside from that, isn't sex considered bad for the most part in your religion? Wouldn't having several sex slaves be against it?

While we are on the subject of women and sex, how do you feel about the middle eastern countries making women wear those suit things?
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Forgot the picture in the first paragraph, its supposed to be this:

http://my-funspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/twin_towers11.jpg

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who's trying to sound smart.

this guy is actualy realy smart. he knows exactly what he can and can't say and is always useing the words on the edge. he is almost unbeaten in debates. (mostly because he is leading them by they way he is useing his words.)
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We should be punished for something our ancestors did? Arming and training an unstable dictator we put in power to keep out communists or something was a bad idea, but I think it has more to do with this:

We should be punished for something a bunch of idiots did? That this guy is a terrorist doesn't mean the whole Islamic Comunity is.

I saw that part, and worded my response accordingly. Basically all you have to do is yell "THEY STARTED IT!" like a first grader in a fist fight and people will die for you do to these verses.

People are not so stupid to believe a guy who says "THEY STARTED IT". In Islam, if a muslims country is attacked by another country, then it has the right to attack this country. Otherwise NOT.

Really? Is that what it says? It seems to me more like he is saying "If anyone tries to turn you from your religion, kill them" or something. He is really bad at English.

Is he bad in English(1), or is the translator not good in translating(2)? Or are you just stupid(3)?

If you die like the guy in the beard tells you to, you get virgins. If it wasn't enough to die for your religion then, it would put people on the fast track to Kamikaze land.

I'm sorry but someone who commits suicide will go directly yo Hell, for EVER. So, it's just BS.

And aside from that, isn't sex considered bad for the most part in your religion? Wouldn't having several sex slaves be against it?

No, sex is not considered as bad. Sex without marriage is bad. And, these 72 virgins are just an EXAMPLE.

While we are on the subject of women and sex, how do you feel about the middle eastern countries making women wear those suit things?

These woman are wearing these things because they want it themselfs. And, this is not a topic about my believe. This topic is a Q&A topic. If you don't have any question about Islam, then just be quiet.

Forgot the picture in the first paragraph, its supposed to be this:

I really wonder who organized this The Government, or Al-Qaeda?

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this guy is actualy realy smart. he knows exactly what he can and can't say and is always useing the words on the edge. he is almost unbeaten in debates. (mostly because he is leading them by they way he is useing his words.)

the subject this guy chooses is smart. But everything he's saying is actually more bull****. It was clever of him to become a part of the coalition. Everyone who votes for CDA or VVD will be voting for his party too. But his comments are a bit dumb and not so smart like you describe it.
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will burn in fire/suffer a painful doom for all eternity which doesn't seem like something a loving deity would allow.


Actually, I don't think so. I've wondered a lot about that too, and many times in the Quran, there are passages that not only say bad people will burn in hell for eternity, but they also add something that is like 'until Allah wishes', or 'until the Earth endures'. For example:
"Eternally they abide therein (Hell), for as long as the heavens and the earth endure, in accordance with the will of your Lord. Your Lord is doer of whatever He wills. As for fortunate ones, they will be in Paradise. Eternally they abide therein, for as long as the heavens and the earth endure, in accordance with the will of your Lord-an everlasting reward."


Does this make it any better? Do you (Reiki and Armed) really want to make such bad excuses? Is it fair to punish "adultery" (e.g. sex in the forest) with 100 lashes?! You must be kidding...


I'm not speaking for him but no, I don't think its fair to punish anybody in that manner. That is only because things are much different now and there are better ways of dealing with things like that. I just don't see any reason as to why this should make Islam look any worse, though. The Quran isn't compelling us to lash anybody, it is giving us an option to do so, or see it as a punishable act. In our society, I would say things have changed and lashing isn't what we'd go for first. That's all.


Also, I think we're all confused about what 'Kafir' means. The word is used to define those people that have been given the opportunity to have a clear and full understanding of Islam, and those who openly reject it. It doesn't mean 'Infidel'. Or 'Christian'. That being said, its pretty much open to interpretation, and so nobody really does know who'll go to Hell or Heaven.

When Islam started out, it wasn't an easy road, if you accept any of its history. That being said, many people hated Muslims just for being Muslims. The word Disbeliever comes from Kafir/Kafiroon, which, as I have stated already, isn't just someone that says 'Oh, I'm not Muslim'.

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How important is being muslim in the judgement?

I don't think this parts ever been addressed. The way I look at it, everyone in this world has their own test, and hopefully they can live up to it. But I wouldn't mind being on the safer side.

Also, to address this:
I know many Muslims who don't know any Arabic, and read English Qu'ran. So i think the majority of Modern Islam is kind of inaccurate. Just my two cents.


That's kind of new to me. Most non-Arab state living Muslims I know learn to read Arabic [The Quran has helpful pronunciation markers, or something like that] that allows you to read it even if you don't comprehend. I don't know if its required to read it in Arabic or not, but I've never heard of just reading English. What I do is I read the Arabic set and then I understand it reading English, but I do pick out different translations.

How do you feel about your religion being associated with terrorism? Other religions bomb a tone of stuff, but yours seems to be the most famous for it.


Its only famous for it over here. Ever since the Crusades we've been marked as Christianity's eternal enemy. I don't really care though, I'll get over it. Besides, in other places, Americanism is associated with drinking, gambling, bad family life. In America, though, being American is seen as a good thing. Idk, I don't really care about the problem, I just ignore people like that.
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