Insulting is wrong. Insulting is forbidden in islam. And no, there's no punishment for insulting. What he meant is; there are people that, when you insult them, they can kill you for whatever reason. And that's why it's cosidered in the land as mischief. And so, that's why - in some countries - people are being executed. Not just because they insult. Understood?
insulting might be wrong but killing because of that is just stupid. there are also people who could kill you because of the way you look. so in some lands you can be executed for being ugly? in the begining you explain it but then you just go back proving what im saying is right by saying its ok to be killed because of insulting.
I have a minor question about the religion. I'd just like to say something about a Muslim in my class. I'd like to tell a story.
I live in North Bay, Ontario, Canada
There's a Muslim in my class, she says she's a Muslim and wears the turban. She creeps me out. She's always smiling (ALWAYS) and when she does it she usually stares at people. Like the eyes of a snake about to jump and strike you. Then there's her laugh. The way she does it, is to get people to laugh with her I think. She starts out low then brings her laugh higher (enough to break the glass in an opera house!). This year (grade 10) she's always talking to people (in a scary type of way). Butting into the middle of conversations, practically screaming if they want to sit with her or work with her. I say she's Muslim because that's what she tells people.
I'm pretty sure that's just her personality. I know a muslim girl who's nothing like that. And I know non-muslims who are very similar to what you described.
I thought they were derived from the doctrine like pretty much all the laws in the country?
Saudi Arabia's government is far more 'religious' than anyone within the country. Most Saudi's can't do much about that let alone bother since they get so many government benefits and such. In all truth, there's nothing in the Qur'an/Hadith that say blasphemy is bad. It's all just BS made from religious jurists that want to control people.
Is this normal? Doesn't seem like it to me.
I think she's just weird or bipolar. No joke. Being Muslim doesn't turn you into a human snake bear or something. Although that would be cool.
Could just be her personality. Religion doesn't have anything to do with mental instability, usually . Are you sure she isn't mentally challenged? Because that is almost the exact behavior of some special ed kids at my school.
insulting might be wrong but killing because of that is just stupid. there are also people who could kill you because of the way you look. so in some lands you can be executed for being ugly? in the begining you explain it but then you just go back proving what im saying is right by saying its ok to be killed because of insulting.
No, no! The thing is that governments accept inulting as mischief. And again these governments accept that the punishment for mischief is dead. And, I was explaining what thepunisher wanted to tell us the whole time.
In all truth, there's nothing in the Qur'an/Hadith that say blasphemy is bad.
Wait what?! Allah hates the disbelievers, so I'm sure that he hates blasphemers...
2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. 2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
45:9 And when he knoweth aught of Our revelations he maketh it a jest. For such there is a shameful doom.
I could go on and on. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Quran says to punish blasphemers but it says that blasphemers will be punished in hell.
but mischief is a subjective words. and the smallest things can cause problems because that depends on the people. in the end you say its ok to punish someone with death because he caused mischief and it doesnt matter what he did.
Wait what?! Allah hates the disbelievers, so I'm sure that he hates blasphemers...
Oh I know, sorry if I stated that in a misleading way. I was just answering Mage's question when he asked about why blasphemy laws exist. It is true that in Islam the belief exists that blasphemers will be punished, but that isn't really something worth arguing. You can't even pull the old 'Well what if I'm a beautiful young atheist who did every thing right', because in all honesty, we have no freaking idea. The best statement anyone could really give you for that is that as long as you don't go around making fun of Islam or whatever, you're in the clear. [Not that you'd care, but what I mean is that Muslims aren't really in any position to assume they (or anybody else for that matter) are going to heaven or hell].
That being said, Islam encourages tolerance. Though the religion states those that blaspheme Islam will be in trouble, that's a little obvious. We as Muslims though are not to take ill-will against those that want to annoy us [Unless they're attacking the religion of course].
The problem with a blasphemy law is that if you live in a Muslim country, chances are if you say 'Oh I'm Christian', some tribal authority who got a third grade education is going to call that blasphemy. They aren't really about blasphemy they're pretty much symbols of intolerance.
in the end you say its ok to punish someone with death because he caused mischief and it doesnt matter what he did.
Yeah, Mischief is very subjective. It does not say 'Anyone that pisses you off -- chop some heads'. It says they are punishable. I can make up my own feelings about human rights and assume that mischief is shooting thirty people and a terrorist can say mischief is not having a beard. It's all subjective and it always will be.
How do you feel about militant muslims and such? Oh, and does every Muslim have to make a trip to Mecca or is it for the few?
There's no such a thing is millitant muslim. If you're revering to a group of terrorist, then they are not muslims. I can't have a feeling about something that doesn't exist. But if the question is, what do you feel when people think these terrorists are doing everything because Islam says so, then the whole subject changes.
I feel sad, for us, for the victims, but for these terrorists too. Almost all of them don't know what's going on. For example; Afghanistan. More then 90% have NO idea of what happened at 9/11. So they think the U.S. soldiers came to afghanistan to destroy Islam. And they try to defend it by fighting off the soldiers, and we call these people who try to defend their country and their religion terrorists.
I'm not defending the taliban or another Islamic group, but what I say is a fact. So, I feel sad. Just sad. Not angry at anyone(except the ones who know what's going on and still defend that they are rite(muslim or non-muslim)).
Are you a muslim? I don't like Islam, im Christ, soo. But i don't got a problem with muslims.
Me, myself am - thanks to God/Alhamdullillah - muslim. I don't get why you don't like Islam. The only thing I don't like about Christianity, is that they call a prophet(pbuh) the Son of God.
What I really wonder is; you don't have any problems with muslims, but you don't like Islam. Could you explain that please?
