I think that it is ridiculous that even after a UN report vindicates Israel's actions, Turkey is still going to take its case to the International Criminal Courts, on trumped up charges that shouldn't even be admitted. The pitiful thing is that Turkey was Israel's closest Middle Eastern ally and now it looks like it could take decades to resolve this.
What are your opinions on the flotilla that occurred last year, and what do you think the end result of this spat between former allies will end up as?
Does it constitute a double post when the posts are 6 hours apart? If so sorry, but this is huge news.
Basically the Turkish PM is going to send warships next time to breach the blockade. If so, this is most definitely an invasion of Israeli territorial waters (assuming the get that close) and an act of war. Needless to say, this would be devastating to the region, and hopefully doesn't happen.
Attempting to run a blockade could be considered an act of war by Turkey considering the Mari Marvara flew the Turkish flag.
I'm guessing you meant 'By Israel considering...'? Anyway, Raising your flag is not always indication of war.
It is legal to attack a ship on the high seas if you are definitely sure that they are attempting to run a legally imposed blockade.
Exactly. Being 'definitely sure' is open to interpretation. That's all I'm saying.
Again, when does the US do anything different?
It doesn't, except... This crap doesn't happen in the US? Unless it actually is within a warzone.
It was perfectly legal to attack the ship, so they took the initiative.
Totally depends on your definition of 'Definitely sure if they are attacking'.
However, Israel tried to stop the boat by using speed boats and concussion grenades, but the "humanitarians" threw them back and also threw bottles and stones at the commandoes.
So using technology and grenades is chill but using all that you have (bottles and stones) is evil?
But I do agree that what they did wasn't the best thing to do, obviously bringing illegal stuff isn't going to help, and then being stuck in a situation of going to another port to getting checked is just going to screw you. Still, bringing it to a court case is no biggie. After all... If Israel is so legit on this then they shouldn't have much to hide and they'll embarrass Turkey.
As for the blockade breaking garbage -- Turkey's being stupid. I'm sure they'll just back off. If they don't, then Turkey is going to lose any status it has in Europe and get owned in warfare. Not to mention, for the last 20 years, Turkey has been doing great. It's pretty much a regional power in the area. The flotilla thing might hit home for anyone there, and I'm not so sure how well democracy works in Turkey, but this stuff sounds stupid. It is going to be a disaster if this is just the start of something involving stuff more than just Israel and Turkey. If that's the case, everything is about to go downhill.
Anyway, Raising your flag is not always indication of war.
When a ship is under attack, raising a nations colors is a sign of either aggression or intent to fight.
Being 'definitely sure' is open to interpretation. That's all I'm saying.
They had said verbally and had also stated it in writing that they were going to run the blockade.
So using technology and grenades is chill but using all that you have (bottles and stones) is evil?
Considering that the soldiers had the law on their side for this, yes.
I'm sure they'll just back off.
As much as I want to agree with you here, Erdogan has just gone too far to the extremest side. Currently, this entire political situation is not really about the raid on the Mari Marvara, but more an attempt to prove to other Muslim leaders that he is willing to shun Israel.
It seems that the uprising in the Arab world has not been too favorable so far for Israel. There is pressure now from Egyptian citizens to cut all ties with Israel.
There is pressure now from Egyptian citizens to cut all ties with Israel.
I saw this one coming. The Government of Egypt was smart -- they agreed to the peace deal and got US support for years and made Egypt a good spot in the Middle East, but now because of the Arab Spring I was going to guess that their foreign policy was going to change. Still, that link just shows other people protesting. I don't think that's where the majority want to go.
The Government of Egypt was smart -- they agreed to the peace deal and got US support for years and made Egypt a good spot in the Middle East, but now because of the Arab Spring I was going to guess that their foreign policy was going to change.
It is unfortunate. Because of this it seems that Israel is losing its onetime allies over minimal issues. The flotilla raid not so much, but the strike on the border was a complete accident and Israel even took the rare action of expressing regret.
turkish prime minister Erdogan is really brave politician ..i respect him very very much .but his policy against ISrael is wrong..everybody can find the way to live in peace .they just dont want to try....
If it were up to me, I'd have good relations with Israel. But nooo, our prime minister has to be an *** about it. Although I don't support the murder of 9 citizens, it's still unnecessary. It's pathetic.
lol@people thinking the event was about international politics. People, they put the commandos there so they could direct the boat for search (something that happens in every country on Earth). Do you know what the Coast Guard does when people refuse to be boarded and searched? They send in commandos. Do you know what happens when they try to kill the Coast Guard? Everybody on board dies. Period.
If any of you had seen the video, you would realize it was not Israel trying to be a bloodthirsty pigs and looking to kill smugglers. The people on board literally tried to kill the commandos, going so far as to throw one overboard, and trying to bash their brains in. These smugglers were barbaric and animals, and had what was coming.
Turkey is overreacting and being stupid. If I was a commando on that ship, I would have killed every last one of them if they tried to kill me, and would have no remorse whatsoever.
As you know "Mavi Marmara ship" which is the help the Gazze people to increase their conditions of life and supply the all needs of Palestine. But Israel goverment attacked the ship in international waters thats why Murders of the Mavi Marmara was Israel Goverment.
As you know "Mavi Marmara ship" which is the help the Gazze people to increase their conditions of life and supply the all needs of Palestine. But Israel goverment attacked the ship in international waters thats why Murders of the Mavi Marmara was Israel Goverment.
Please use understandable English on this site. I can hardly interpret this.
Anyways, the attack was in international waters, however the Mavi Marmara had already released its intentions to run the blockade, which was illegal. And don't get all started up on the "well, the blockade was illegal, so there", because the blockade IS LEGAL. And to think that Turkey has the audacity to criticize Israel for "oppressing" the Pals when they oppress the Armenians! The Pals are not oppressed, they merely refuse to negotiate, and their governments are what keep them in this position.
