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zakyman
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I think that it is ridiculous that even after a UN report vindicates Israel's actions, Turkey is still going to take its case to the International Criminal Courts, on trumped up charges that shouldn't even be admitted. The pitiful thing is that Turkey was Israel's closest Middle Eastern ally and now it looks like it could take decades to resolve this.

What are your opinions on the flotilla that occurred last year, and what do you think the end result of this spat between former allies will end up as?

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TTahir
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It is legal just on paper. they cant attack in international waters it is illegal. Turkey's intention was help the Palastine people because Israel goverment has done Genocide to Palastenians. Millions of people had been killed in palestine without any acceptable reason.

Sorry I can't speak english well.

TTahir
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwsMJmvS0AY

also check it out.

zakyman
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Genocide to Palastenians.


It is not genocide what they do. They do not go down the street pulling people into gas chambers and sending them to concentration camps. I had relatives, who were victims of genocide. What the Israelis do to the Pals might not be the best thing in the world, however calling it genocide is an offence to the victims of genocide, and of the Holocaust. You seriously think that Jews would go turn around and kill millions of Arabs just because they were Arab!?

Millions of people had been killed in palestine without any acceptable reason.


It's not millions. Infact, it's less than 10k. And they are only killed because Hamas decides to launch rockets into Israel from areas where civilians are killed.

It is legal just on paper. they cant attack in international waters it is illegal.


And you just lost all face in those sentences. It IS legal, and you just said that.

Turkey's intention was help the Palastine people


I have no problem with that. However, do it LEGALY next time, and don't run the blockade.
zakyman
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You want to play the Youtube game?



I think I win with this one.

EnterOrion
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Turkey's intention was help the Palastine people


With rockets and hand grenades.

Good job, Turkey can now be charged for aiding and abetting terrorists.
TTahir
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they cant attack in international water right? They wanted to protect themselves thats all 9 person killed thats why. They cant apply any blockade against Palastinte. UN' report supports Turkey. In Jewish bible says," Except Jewish the other member of religion is just servant which is serves Jewish. You Can Kill 'em all" something like that.

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In Jewish bible says," Except Jewish the other member of religion is just servant which is serves Jewish. You Can Kill 'em all" something like that.


For one thing, Jews don't have a bible. They have a Torah. For another, every religious book says that. Ever heard of Islamic terrorism or the crusades?

They wanted to protect themselves thats all 9 person killed thats why


That would be commandos not enjoying the thought of being beaten to death, or worse, taken into a back room and beheaded.

They cant apply any blockade against Palastinte


Yes they can. Palestine has goods that flow into it, and sometimes they have rockets and bombs. Instead, they block all traffic until it's searched and cleared, and let it through. See how this works?

UN' report supports Turkey


It doesn't condemn Israel in any way. It said it was excessive, but so is the War on Terror, or Palestinians launching rockets into heavily populated cities.
TTahir
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Oh Sorry Not Bible, Torah, right. Dont say Palastenians is terrorist. just a group of terrorist. Muslims isnt terrorist for example in Norway around 70 people killed by a christian terrorist. And we have human rights. Israel goverment tortured them for a rocket. Why did they just killed goverment of Palastine or terrorists? They killed civils.

zakyman
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In Jewish bible says," Except Jewish the other member of religion is just servant which is serves Jewish. You Can Kill 'em all" something like that.


It never says that in the Torah. Nowhere in Jewish writing is it written that if you are not Jewish, you can kill them. In war, yes, you can kill, but you just can't kill because someone is not Jewish.

Israel goverment tortured them for a rocket. Why did they just killed goverment of Palastine or terrorists? They killed civils.


I'm assuming you are asking why civilians died? Well, that is because the cowards who make up Hamas feel that by running into populated areas, then Israel will be condemned for collateral damages against civilians. Yes, there were some "rouge" members of the IDF, however, that is not the only military who has members who kills for killing. For instance, a US soldier was just convicted for killing civilians. Here we get to the difference. When an Israeli soldier kills for killing, he is put on trial, and usually convicted. However when a Palestinian suicide bombs an area, or launches rockets, they are hailed as a hero, not a criminal. Thank God that their bid for statehood is going to be denied.
TTahir
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I dont know exactly what is writing on Torah sorry. I disagree you. is hamas died?. I believe that Palastinians didnt support terrorists. I'm Muslim too and ı am not a terrorist. A muslim never attacks a country,religion etc. without they attack. I am not assuming that terrorists isnt Muslim. But civilians didnt attack on Israel. Thats why I am not giving Israel goverment right.

and Sorry ı cant speak english well.

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A muslim never attacks a country,religion etc. without they attack.


to bad for muslims like you is, that a other part of the muslim group do act in a violent and agressive and sometimes even terrorist ways.
muslims that do say that killing is justified.

and your right, christians arn't those lovely people all the time either.
zakyman
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I dont know exactly what is writing on Torah sorry


Than why did you try and quote it?

Palastinians didnt support terrorists.


Maybe not all of them, but the PLO charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

I'm Muslim too and ñ am not a terrorist


I never said that you were.

A muslim never attacks a country,religion etc. without they attack.


Have you ever heard of al-Qaeda?

But civilians didnt attack on Israel


No, but the civilians were put in the way by Hamas in order to create casualties.
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In Turkey we have terrorism activity in south-east territories. We call this organization "PKK" Maybe you have heard this name. Also Al-Qaeda Attacks against us. They are muslims and we are muslims. But we not consider them Muslim they cant be muslim because they attacks innocent peoples. We are using war technologies against them and we arent kill their innocent people. Some villagers helping them because of the lack of education. In this subject. Israel goverment using forbidden war technologies against innocent Palastinians. I think our terrorism problem related with other major powers. They helping PKK. Turkey didnt accept blocade of Gazza. This blocade against the human rights. UN' has already supported Turkey. We are believing Qur-an and Islam is peace,brotherhood etc... In Qur-an also says "dont kill".

zakyman
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This blocade against the human rights.


It is not a blockade against human rights, it is a blockade against Hamas, and their cronies.

UN' has already supported Turkey.


No, the UN said that the blockade is legal.
TTahir
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Then we can say Israel failed because Hamas is still alive. I read it on wikipedia(Turkish) says:

UN' new report supported turkey.

And "I think" against human rights because of the forbidden war technologies and torturing the innocents.

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