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LEAPretard
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Ok, I know all you Muslims, Atheists, buddists and others are thinking: wtf is this stupid question??? (I myself am an abuser and I don't belive in Cheese)


But what if it happened? No matter how science or any Oher thing proves it wrong, what would you do?





Stupid Questions Rock.

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vesperbot
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in case Jesus will actually pop out of thin air before you, you will exactly know that's him, so no evidence would be required. However, you will have a hard time proving this to your fellow skeptics.

hojoko
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I would call that wishful thinking, not a relationship.


If you ever meet him (or Him), it would become a relationship. But that's what religion is: Wishful thinking, only they know who the father is, and they know all about him, and they plan on meeting him in the future.
partydevil
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Nope. God will accept your choice for not believing in him and acknowledge that you do not want a relationship with him and woulnd't force you to go to heaven against your free will.


If you ever meet him (or Him), it would become a relationship


so if your god is somehow real then i'll meet him anyway and i can start the relationship.
he will forgive me because he is all forvingen. and he loves me (all loving) it's all in your own book

it's not that i do not want a relationship.
it's that he never contacted me to start it.
it's that he never gave any physical evidence that he exists.
it's that "his words" (the bible) are debunked over and over again.
it's that i know better then to believe in non-sense.
hojoko
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so if your god is somehow real then i'll meet him anyway and i can start the relationship.
he will forgive me because he is all forvingen. and he loves me (all loving) it's all in your own book


I swear to God, I have told you this so many times. I'm not a theist. Stop clumping me with them. Just because I'm not coming from your point of view doesn't mean I'm coming from theirs. I'm arguing interpretations here.

And yes, presumably God (as he is described in Abrahamic religions) would forgive you, and would love you, but the same God would send you to hell. It's not that He didn't forgive you, or didn't love you, but He would also be just, and so He would love you and forgive you (which are personal feelings to him), but you would still have to go through any punishment that you deserved.

it's not that i do not want a relationship.
it's that he never contacted me to start it.
it's that he never gave any physical evidence that he exists.
it's that "his words" (the bible) are debunked over and over again.
it's that i know better then to believe in non-sense.


From what I understand, it's not the duty of God to start a relationship now. Neither of you are really supposed to start as actual 'relationship' until you die. He wouldn't contact you, because you would be destined to meet Him later (theoretically). Like I already said, you could look at it like the relationship between a child and an estranged father. You would like to meet each other, and plan to one day, it's just not that day.

As for 'His words' being debunked, the only thing that was debunked were the interpretations of His words, of which He is hardly at fault. Although I highly doubt the Bible was written by people who heard the word of God. If you read it, it reads like an ancient storybook.

it's that i know better then to believe in non-sense.


It sounds like you're just too closed-minded to tr to understand where a believer is coming from.
partydevil
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you would still have to go through any punishment that you deserved.


in my opinion he will let me join him in heavon because he forgives me. and we will be having a laugh about how he stumbold my mind by creating evrything in such detail. (univers - evolution - etc.)

in church when you confess a crime. the priest on the other side of the wall, will not call the cops on you, because god has forgiven. your free to go again.

it's not the duty of God to start a relationship now

he doesn't wanna give a sign of his existence. but he does want a relationship whit me. and when i'm unable because he never showed himself, he sends me to hell...
what a cruel god.

look at it like the relationship between a child and an estranged father. You would like to meet each other,


this surely is not allways the case. i would find myself better whitout knowing my father then.
getting away when i'm a baby or still yet to be born is just bad. i would only like to meet my father if he had to go to jail or some other good reason. but then again whit todays communication systems. i wold have met him befor.

It sounds like you're just too closed-minded to tr to understand where a believer is coming from.

i know, i readed, i toke conclusions, it's non-sense.
hojoko
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in my opinion he will let me join him in heavon because he forgives me. and we will be having a laugh about how he stumbold my mind by creating evrything in such detail. (univers - evolution - etc.)


I don't see why He would let you into heaven if you, say, killed someone. Forgiving someone isn't the same as not passing judgement on someone for their crimes.

in church when you confess a crime. the priest on the other side of the wall, will not call the cops on you, because god has forgiven. your free to go again.


That's just one denomination of one denomination of Abrahamic religion. Many forms of Abrahamic religions don't have confessionals.

he doesn't wanna give a sign of his existence. but he does want a relationship whit me. and when i'm unable because he never showed himself, he sends me to hell...
what a cruel god.


Now you're contradicting yourself. Did you not just say you thought He would forgive you for that?

Anyways, that's only one way to interpret God. Many people believe God judges by moral actions, not belief, so theoretically if you don't believe you could still go to Heaven (if it exists) and be happy for eternity. Not so cruel, is that?

And the only relationship He'd want with you during life is one of watching you live a morally good existence. Any more meaningful relationship would come later.

this surely is not allways the case. i would find myself better whitout knowing my father then.
getting away when i'm a baby or still yet to be born is just bad. i would only like to meet my father if he had to go to jail or some other good reason. but then again whit todays communication systems. i wold have met him befor.


Exactly. So it's like if everyone in the world had an estranged father, and some wanted to meet him and some didn't. But then don't pass dismissive judgement on those who want to meet him without trying to understand why they want to meet him, and why they think they will meet him.
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I would be like, well that's lame you promised us you would come back the same way you left... (in glorious rays of light ascending into heaven) so if he just popped out of thin air I would argue that it was just an appearance not the second coming.

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I don't see why He would let you into heaven if you, say, killed someone. Forgiving someone isn't the same as not passing judgement on someone for their crimes.


i find my resons valid enoufg for him to let me in heavon and have a laugh. in the end he was the 1 thats not clear about what he wanted from me (take all the metaphores in the bible. (why not just say how it is and what you want. don't make it like it can be interpetated in 100's of ways))

That's just one denomination of one denomination of Abrahamic religion. Many forms of Abrahamic religions don't have confessionals.


but god works like that for many people. if he works like that for them why not for me?


Now you're contradicting yourself. Did you not just say you thought He would forgive you for that?


i was taking the view from your point. and ended whit my own conclusion. (what a cruel god)
befor i was stating my own idea/point

Many people believe God judges by moral actions, not belief, so theoretically if you don't believe you could still go to Heaven (if it exists) and be happy for eternity. Not so cruel, is that?

And the only relationship He'd want with you during life is one of watching you live a morally good existence.


if that was said i whold never start about god forgives me from not believig. i said it because it was said that all non-believers will go to hell/get punished.

without trying to understand why they want to meet him, and why they think they will meet him.


have you been reading my posts for a while? i do know, i do understand and bla bla bla. i'm from a christian family xD
my grandfather was a priest for over 40 year. both my parents are christian. a sister who's christian. (and a brother who's athiest/agnost (i'm not sure)) i have christian friends.

i dunno what you think i am but it looks like your just seeking ways to miss interpetate me. on the hunt for a unnecessary debate. neither of us believe in the dude anyway.
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I don't see why He would let you into heaven if you, say, killed someone. Forgiving someone isn't the same as not passing judgement on someone for their crimes.

i find my resons valid enoufg for him to let me in heavon and have a laugh. in the end he was the 1 thats not clear about what he wanted from me (take all the metaphores in the bible. (why not just say how it is and what you want. don't make it like it can be interpetated in 100's of ways))

That's just one denomination of one denomination of Abrahamic religion. Many forms of Abrahamic religions don't have confessionals.

but god works like that for many people. if he works like that for them why not for me?

Now you're contradicting yourself. Did you not just say you thought He would forgive you for that?

i was taking the view from your point. and ended whit my own conclusion. (what a cruel god)
befor i was stating my own idea/point

Many people believe God judges by moral actions, not belief, so theoretically if you don't believe you could still go to Heaven (if it exists) and be happy for eternity. Not so cruel, is that?

And the only relationship He'd want with you during life is one of watching you live a morally good existence.

if that was said i whold never start about god forgives me from not believig. i said it because it was said that all non-believers will go to hell/get punished.

without trying to understand why they want to meet him, and why they think they will meet him.

have you been reading my posts for a while?  i do know, i do understand and bla bla bla. i'm from a christian family xD
my grandfather was a priest for over 40 year. both my parents are christian. a sister who's christian. (and a brother who's athiest/agnost (i'm not sure)) i have christian friends.

i dunno what you think i am but it looks like your just seeking ways to miss interpetate me. on the hunt for a unnecessary debate. neither of us believe in the dude anyway.


Everyone read this and say what it has to do with this topic.

If this happened I think it would strengtenth my faith.
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i find my resons valid enoufg for him to let me in heavon and have a laugh. in the end he was the 1 thats not clear about what he wanted from me (take all the metaphores in the bible. (why not just say how it is and what you want. don't make it like it can be interpetated in 100's of ways))


It's not God that would cause misinterpretation, it's humans. Even a phrase as innocuous as "Get me some tofu" can be interpreted in many ways. Buy it? Make it? What kind of tofu? Fried? Sauteed? Especially considering the time gap between the writing of some of the passages and the publishing of the Bible, many, many people might end up making their own interpretations of interpretations.

if that was said i whold never start about god forgives me from not believig. i said it because it was said that all non-believers will go to hell/get punished.


That's also merely one interpretation. I would agree that a kind, benevolent, and just God wouldn't send someone to Hell for not believing.

i dunno what you think i am but it looks like your just seeking ways to miss interpetate me. on the hunt for a unnecessary debate. neither of us believe in the dude anyway.


No, I'm not on the hunt for a debate, or to misinterpret you. And no, I don't believe. I don't disbelieve either. I just find it extremely irritating how you write off religion as if it's worthless, when it defines much of human history, and I believe it has a place in this world, even if I don't agree with some of the practices. Whether or not God is real, or Hell, or any of that, I believe the concept of religion, any religion, has nearly as much importance as science in this world.
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That's also merely one interpretation. I would agree that a kind, benevolent, and just God wouldn't send someone to Hell for not believing.


how ignored are you? you have a problem whit your long term memory or what?

No, I'm not on the hunt for a debate, or to misinterpret you.


you act like it.

I just find it extremely irritating how you write off religion as if it's worthless


so evry1 may have it's ideas and has the freedom to tell it except for me?
you THINK i find it worthless, you THINK i don't know about it, you THINK i don't understand. you THINK i'm ignorand.
all these are false.

what does it have for need for me to debate whit you. when you simply go against evry single thing i say. and then also turn my words against me in a context that i didn't use those words in.

you act as if i said out of the blue, that i will be saved even tho i do not believe. reality however is that some1 els said that all non-believers get puniched/go to hell. and i replyed on them. then you come along and twist around the context. whit replys like not all of them are like that... pfffff like i don't know. (or should i say AGAIN why i use general terms) my reply was against 1 of those guys that did believe that.

i think it will be good for you to get some real job and learn about picking the importend things from the wastefull things.
i tryed it and heared it on for a while but in this case i depart you to the wastefull things.
maybe a other topic i can see logic in your way of debating again.
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Sorry bro, but if you are trying to call someone ignorant but you cant even spell the word, then you are an ignoramus. Work on your grammar and spelling.
If you dont beleive in god, there is no god. God is something that is sustained by those who practice religions that recognise him/her/it. There are more reasons to disbeleive in god than there are in beleiving.

hojoko
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how ignored are you? you have a problem whit your long term memory or what?


Please clarify.

you act like it.


No, I act like I should towards someone who is constantly disrespectful towards others beliefs, without clarifying why they feel that way, or providing evidence to support their disrespectful claims.

so evry1 may have it's ideas and has the freedom to tell it except for me?


You have all the freedom in the world to say whatever you please. But when you say disrespectful things, and call people's beliefs non-sense without clarifying and constantly seeming to ignore that there is much more to religion than the existence of God, I will question what you say, because for you to be so disrespectful is extremely inappropriate.

you THINK i find it worthless, you THINK i don't know about it, you THINK i don't understand. you THINK i'm ignorand.
all these are false.


I assume nothing. I only draw from what you have written on these forums, most of which is very closed-minded, lacking evidence or really any kind of argument or debate, and usually insulting. Much of what you say merely follows what somebody else said, and has no construction or point, restating their conclusions without any expansion, and thus serves no purpose in any discussion.

you act as if i said out of the blue, that i will be saved even tho i do not believe. reality however is that some1 els said that all non-believers get puniched/go to hell. and i replyed on them. then you come along and twist around the context. whit replys like not all of them are like that... pfffff like i don't know. (or should i say AGAIN why i use general terms) my reply was against 1 of those guys that did believe that.


Your rely was that you believed you would go to Heaven. You said nothing more. What purpose does that serve? Where does that take the discussion? As for my reply, I just said that God might still punish someone, even if He is all forgiving, in the same way that parents could forgive and punish a child at the same time. I fail to see how that's twisting what little you said out of context, as they were so brief and unexplained that they had little context to be in.

i think it will be good for you to get some real job and learn about picking the importend things from the wastefull things.


I'm afraid I already do have a real job. Sorry.

Listen, I understand that you don't speak much English, and that's fine. If you don't know how to say something, I'd be happy to try and help you clarify it, as I'm sure would many others. But that doesn't excuse any kind of disrespect, nor does that excuse lack of evidence or support for your "arguments". Until you can say something that bears meaning and weight to a debate, with your own thoughts and evidence, you, sir, are a troll.
partydevil
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Please clarify.

it's the same thing as i said befor. when i said he forgives me. i ment he forgives me compleetly like compleetly compleetly as priests do in churches. they do it, because god would do it. and get away whit it because they believe in god.

if people agree whit that then they agree that god will forgive all (evrything compleetly). and that he will do so because he loves all (evrything compleetly) love all, forgive all. both written in the book that ALL christians follow.
then why does it apply only to those that believe in god. if he is supposed to do the same thing for all.

the conclusion wold be that no1 is in hell except for lucifer and his fallen angels.
or in my opinion. hell doesn't excist because evry1 go's to heaven. and hell is just made up.
or in my real opinion. both are made up.
partydevil
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ow and yes maybe life has hardent me. but that doesn't mean i'm not keeping all the exceptions and differences or options open in my mind. on any subject, topic, thread around. and i never reply to that i agree whit. because it's been said and saying it again right after isn't meaningfull. so yes i usely posts on things i don't agree whit because that is were the debates supposed to be.


anyway i didn't read on after "Please clarify." in your last post. because i don't want to stay in this off-topic conversation. and rather discuss a other topic then religion whit you sometime.

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