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thepunisher93
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As you know things have been going for muslims for last decade.All the discrimination and hatred they have been facing.
Led to the rise of the term Islamophobia.
What r ur thoughts on it.

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Reiki000
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But you see, Christians have just as much right as Muslims to get offended about things that they find insulting, yet not nearly as many of them do. Muslims should be more like Christians and learn to live with things they don't like.

I know it's stupid to ask it to you, but why do people insult muslims more then christians?

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nichodemus
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But you see, Christians have just as much right as Muslims to get offended about things that they find insulting, yet not nearly as many of them do. Muslims should be more like Christians and learn to live with things they don't like.


There is no ''should'' be more like ''Christians'' since a) You guys are just generalizing hopelessly ( I can bring up quite a number of Christian fundamentalist groups that even practice terrorism in the Lord's name and get pretty rabid about religion.) and b) Telling anyone that they should live in such and such way and be more like someone else infringes on free will. That's contentious.
Avorne
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Telling anyone that they should live in such and such way and be more like someone else infringes on free will.


Who cares about free will? As long as people are no personal trouble to my way of life or culture then I'd gladly allow them to suffer any humiliation or hardship yet would recoil at the very thought of suffering such hardships myself because I'm a huge hypocrite.

but why do people insult muslims more then christians?

Maybe that's your perception of things but I don't really think they do. If you look at all the jokes about Catholic priests, Jesus and just Christianity in general and add all the offensive media depictions and stuff to the list then I'd say that Christians get just as much flak as Muslims do if not more. The reason people insult muslims though is... well, there isn't just one reason, some people do it to get a reaction and a rise out of muslims while others do it because they feel that Islam is a stupid and violent religion and that they'll bait muslims into reacting to prove this to other people.

There is no ''should'' be more like ''Christians''

Do you ever, y'know, shut your facehole for a few minutes?

You guys are just generalizing hopelessly ( I can bring up quite a number of Christian fundamentalist groups that even practice terrorism in the Lord's name and get pretty rabid about religion.)

I meant that moderate Christians were a lot more moderate than moderate Muslims seemed to be and that they take offence and insults a lot better than muslims do, just in general, I'm aware of all the other stuff.
nichodemus
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Who cares about free will? As long as people are no personal trouble to my way of life or culture then I'd gladly allow them to suffer any humiliation or hardship yet would recoil at the very thought of suffering such hardships myself because I'm a huge hypocrite.


It's your own choice to believe in such selfish moralities; now let's turn the equation around. How would you like it if someone intruded on your free will? It goes both ways and isn't mutually exclusive; you're still part of the system.

Do you ever, y'know, shut your facehole for a few minutes?


Actually, not when I'm trying to make a discussion more mellow and less one sided.

I meant that moderate Christians were a lot more moderate than moderate Muslims seemed to be and that they take offence and insults a lot better than muslims do, just in general, I'm aware of all the other stuff.


Again, generalizing on what a moderate Muslim and a moderate Christian is. Personally I've lived I think I have enough experience to say for sure that at least in the region I live in, i.e SEA, the majority of Muslims are very moderate and don't give two hoots about engaging in extremist or intolerant behaviour. Coming from a religious minority in a sea of green, that's my opinion.
thepunisher93
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But you see, Christians have just as much right as Muslims to get offended about things that they find insulting, yet not nearly as many of them do. Muslims should be more like Christians and learn to live with things they don't like.

They don't get offended although they have a right, but we do.
Avorne
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They don't get offended although they have a right, but we do.


The fact that they could get as offended as you do, but choose not to, shows that there's no real need to be as offended as a lot of Muslims seem to get sometimes - meaning that, in this matter, Muslims are overreacting and doing something morally bad and without proper justification.
nichodemus
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The fact that they could get as offended as you do, but choose not to, shows that there's no real need to be as offended as a lot of Muslims seem to get sometimes - meaning that, in this matter, Muslims are overreacting and doing something morally bad and without proper justification.


Will you please stop generalizing on and on? Refer to them as ''a small minority'', ''the few black sheep'', or this discussion will pretty much get disgustingly biased and tasteless.
Avorne
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Will you please stop generalizing on and on? Refer to them as ''a small minority'', ''the few black sheep'', or this discussion will pretty much get disgustingly biased and tasteless.


No, I won't, I already made it clear earlier in the conversation that I know that the vast majority of Muslims are very peaceful and moderate.
nichodemus
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No, I won't, I already made it clear earlier in the conversation that I know that the vast majority of Muslims are very peaceful and moderate.


The way you are arguing with Punisher doesn't seem to reflect that view.
partydevil
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Will you please stop generalizing on and on? Refer to them as ''a small minority'', ''the few black sheep''


it will only slow down debate and posts longer.
i hope evry1 is sensefull enoufg to understand that he doesn't mean all of them.
and there sure is some truth in his posts.
Avorne
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The way you are arguing with Punisher doesn't seem to reflect that view.


I'm working on the assumption that people already read what I posted earlier and understand that the Muslims I'm talking about now are the ones who react in a violent manner to insults.
nichodemus
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I'm working on the assumption that people already read what I posted earlier and understand that the Muslims I'm talking about now are the ones who react in a violent manner to insults.


Thanks for clarifying. Proceed.
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how do you know they dont get offended as much as muslims? you dont live in their heart. the fact that they arent going berserk when being insulted doesnt mean they are less sensitive.

idk if more people insult muslims or christians but even if that was true that is BECAUSE of what you say and we explained it a million times already. you think killing someone for insulting you is ok and that is one of the biggest reasons why they disrespect you like that.

judaism and mormonism had as much troubles as islam if not more but no one kills for disrespect.

there are many things that are unfair in this world that cant have their own rules. if this was a perfect world there would be rules against bad words and sarcasm. you cant wish for such a world and you DEFINITELY cant wish it just for yourself.

again, control yourself. why? because everyone else does, and if you want their respect you have to do it too

thepunisher93
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The thing is that the insult of holy prophet is a very sensitive matter.It is one the pillars of Islam.So we try every thing at first but when nothing of it works than people go violent.

Kasic
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The thing is that the insult of holy prophet is a very sensitive matter.It is one the pillars of Islam


Yes, you've said that, abour 3-4 times now. We get the point. It makes you angry.

Now let me repeat myself AGAIN. This still does not give you the right to use violence simply because they insult you.

So we try every thing at first but when nothing of it works than people go violent.


Or
you
could
just
ignore
them.
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