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thepunisher93
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Title says it all.

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jonathon2001
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its becuase Iran has lots of bad peoeple, if they had nukes then the usa would be destroyed

ChillzMaster
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its becuase Iran has lots of bad peoeple, if they had nukes then the usa would be destroyed


Well... that's a very simplified and over-doomsayer version.

The truth is that Iran is an Islamic Theocracy, which means that they use their holy book, the Torah, as their law book. When interpreted by the Iranian people, you get a culture that goes against everything Western Nations have built themselves on. This makes them very mad with Western Nations, which coincidentally, happen to be the most populated, most powerful, and most free nations on Earth.

I'm going to level with you. There was the Opium thing, Slavery, Imperialism, two World Wars, and a handful of Crusades. The West doesn't exactly have the best name for itself, yes, when looking at it from the Iranian point of view. However, one must remember what the West has done, advanced medicine to such a state where we can just change a bit of material about and it's a heart we can put in someone. A beating heart. Roads, jobs, general advancement of Humanity, and, *ahem*, Universal Suffrage?

Onto the actual question, why can't Iran have nukes? Now, they can't. They're simply too unstable a country with a leader who's head would be better purposed as a form of alarm clock. Note how I said "Now". Any country can have nuclear weapons, be on the same playing field as any of the World Powers, but the big World Powers now, the USA, UK, France, Germany, China, and Japan, don't want too many nukes floating about that could ruin the general peace the world has seen for nigh over a century.

I mean, think about it. Thanks to Western motions like the UN, no major nation has declared war on another major nation since World War 2. And that's saying something, considering if you look back a few years before, when every other week somebody was trying to invade somebody.

And Iran would try to kill innocent civilians, just because the West simply doesn't fly the way Iran flies.

-Chillz
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against everything Western Nations have built themselves on.


This in itself is an overly generalized statement. The legal systems of both sides aim for justice (similarity), punish similar crimes (Similarity), albeit in varied ways, and are based on pretty much the same values (punishment, protecting society, enforcing order, etc).

I'm going to level with you. There was the Opium thing, Slavery, Imperialism, two World Wars, and a handful of Crusades.


Iran did practice slavery and imperialism.

However, one must remember what the West has done, advanced medicine to such a state where we can just change a bit of material about and it's a heart we can put in someone.


The Muslim world in the past until the 1500s, was at the forefront of scientific study. Just because the West has universal suffrage, etc, etc, doesn't give it a justification to possess nukes. Whilst it wants Iran to not develop any, it has to give up such destructive weapons at the same time. (Which the USA is doing, albeit slowly).

Oh, and just to correct you, Iran has had universal suffrage since 1963. France only gave full suffrage to Muslim women in Algeria in 1958, Portugal in 1974, Spain in 1976 and Liechtenstein in 1984. Finally, Switzerland, the so called paragon of freedom, finally allowed all women to vote in 1991.

Which kind of breaks up the stereotype of the West being all freedom and honey don't you think?

Thanks to Western motions like the UN, no major nation has declared war on another major nation since World War 2.


I mean totally yeah, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, The Falklands, Algeria,are all preeeetttyyyy minor countries right? Given that casualties in those three wars alone easily cross into the millions, don't you think you are exaggerating? Not to mention, the thousands of lives lost whenever the Western Powers decided a Communist friendly government wasn't suitable during the Cold War.


What I'm trying to put across is, not to dress the West up as a knight in shining armour and bask in its glory, because if you strip it down to the minimum, their behaviour has been equally atrocious.
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The truth is that Iran is an Islamic Theocracy, which means that they use their holy book, the Torah, as their law book.


except that they have the koran. the jews have the torah. just saying
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The truth is that Iran is an Islamic Theocracy, which means that they use their holy book, the Torah, as their law book.


I would also like to point out that Israel is considered as ''semi-theocratic'' by many experts, or has theocratic elements in its government, since Israel was founded by the Zionist movement as a Jewish state, and Judaism as a religion is often conflated with Judaism as a nationality. As the line between nationality and religion is highly blurred here.

Yes, the legal systems and state power derive their authority from more secular sources rather than religion or a divine source, but Jewish nationality and religion must always go together.
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India's government is actually quite stable.

If you recall, the U.S and other nations of the world were also uneasy when the USSR and Pakistan got nuclear capabilities for the same reasons we are uneasy of Iran getting them. Just because nothing happened with those two doesn't mean that it won't still, or that it can't happen with Iran

Yeah Indias government is stable with freedom movements going on like:
Khalistan
nexlites
kashmir
and tamil tigers(which were originally siri lanka's problem but India poked them and now they are there problem)
For the rest of the paragraph i will just say that west wants it dominance in nuclear sector.
BTW I read tihs in a newspaper a while back that Israel is planing an air strike on chashma nuclear power plant of pakistan.
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The truth is that Iran is an Islamic Theocracy, which means that they use their holy book, the Torah, as their law book. When interpreted by the Iranian people, you get a culture that goes against everything Western Nations have built themselves on. This makes them very mad with Western Nations, which coincidentally, happen to be the most populated, most powerful, and most free nations on Earth.

I'm going to level with you. There was the Opium thing, Slavery, Imperialism, two World Wars, and a handful of Crusades. The West doesn't exactly have the best name for itself, yes, when looking at it from the Iranian point of view. However, one must remember what the West has done, advanced medicine to such a state where we can just change a bit of material about and it's a heart we can put in someone. A beating heart. Roads, jobs, general advancement of Humanity, and, *ahem*, Universal Suffrage?

Onto the actual question, why can't Iran have nukes? Now, they can't. They're simply too unstable a country with a leader who's head would be better purposed as a form of alarm clock. Note how I said "Now". Any country can have nuclear weapons, be on the same playing field as any of the World Powers, but the big World Powers now, the USA, UK, France, Germany, China, and Japan, don't want too many nukes floating about that could ruin the general peace the world has seen for nigh over a century.

I mean, think about it. Thanks to Western motions like the UN, no major nation has declared war on another major nation since World War 2. And that's saying something, considering if you look back a few years before, when every other week somebody was trying to invade somebody.

And Iran would try to kill innocent civilians, just because the West simply doesn't fly the way Iran flies.

-Chillz

Chillz master you sound like a steroetype american from 80's movies.
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Btw Punisher either you are outdated or not paying attention because the Tamil Tigers have been wiped out already.

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BTW I read tihs in a newspaper a while back that Israel is planing an air strike on chashma nuclear power plant of pakistan.


I researched on Google and it didn't turn up any articles on the subject at all. Furthermore, an air strike is not the equivalent of a nuclear attack on Pakistan if you're trying to accuse Israel of nuking other countries actively.
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Btw Punisher either you are outdated or not paying attention because the Tamil Tigers have been wiped out already.

actually they still exist but they are not as strong as b4.
Btw Punisher either you are outdated or not paying attention because the Tamil Tigers have been wiped out already.

No i'm not accusing Israel of a nuke attack and I read it in an urdu newspaper so I cant give you an online source.
But if Israel is planing such an attack then that will b an act of unprovoked aggression.
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But if Israel is planing such an attack then that will b an act of unprovoked aggression.


It doesn't pertain to the topic. I don't support it, neither do the majority of people, so move on back to the topic if you want to argue more about other issues.

actually they still exist but they are not as strong as b4.


After their final defeat, they have been so weak thus far that no attacks have been carried out. Most of the leaders left alive have already been rounded up.
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After their final defeat, they have been so weak thus far that no attacks have been carried out. Most of the leaders left alive have already been rounded up.

just bcoz their leaders are caught it doesnot mean that they are finished such movements die hard.
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just bcoz their leaders are caught it doesnot mean that they are finished such movements die hard.


Yes, but in the last war with them, close to all the fighters were moped up and destroyed whilst they were pushed into a final pocket. As a further justification, I did mention that no LTTE attacks have occurred since.
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Yes, but in the last war with them, close to all the fighters were moped up and destroyed whilst they were pushed into a final pocket. As a further justification, I did mention that no LTTE attacks have occurred since.

It takes alot of time to gather up resources.
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It takes alot of time to gather up resources.


That remains to be seen.
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