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ova9000
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I have just watched the news and greece might be declaring war. you know what this means. France and Germany would go to war with italy and greece and it would be world war ll all over again. tell me you thoughts and opinions and feel free to express them

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EmperorPalpatine
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and i'm sure the politicians have enoufg sense to not start a war again after such a short time.

WW2 happened less than 30 years after WW1. Many proxy wars happened after that. It'll happen, but no one will label it as WW3, it will just be considered as another conflict. Some could argue that the ongoing conflict in the middle east is ww3 because many countries are involved.
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I think that most countries such as America would be well prepared.

Kasic
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WW2 happened less than 30 years after WW1


WW2 was really just an extension of WW1, it had almost the exact same teams and battlegrounds.
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WW2 happened less than 30 years after WW1. Many proxy wars happened after that. It'll happen, but no one will label it as WW3, it will just be considered as another conflict. Some could argue that the ongoing conflict in the middle east is ww3 because many countries are involved.


No, for it to be called WWIII, the scale has to be on par with the previous two, and no way has it reached that kind of level yet. Nor have all the major powers of today engaged in it, China and Russia aren't even engaged. Furthermore, the major European nations aren't even involved properly.

WW2 was really just an extension of WW1, it had almost the exact same teams and battlegrounds.


False, I can name you a few differences off the bat. A) The Rise of Fascism in WWII compared to WWI B) WWII's political environment was very different, rather than the old monarchical system there were a myriad of different political systems that pervaded post WWI Europe that came to the fore in WWII. C) Inclusion of at one more major front and Great Power, the Pacific and Japan

Yes, WWII was inadvertently caused by WWI and the Treaty of Versailles, but the causes of conflict were extremely different.

WWI: The political crisis sparking WWI came after a long and difficult series of diplomatic clashes between the Great Powers (Italy, France, Germany, Great Britain, Austria-Hungarian Empire and Russia) over European and colonial issues in the decade before 1914 that had left tensions high. In turn these diplomatic clashes can be traced to changes in the balance of power in Europe since 1867. The more immediate cause for the war was tensions over territory in the Balkans. Austria-Hungary competed with Serbia and Russia for territory and influence in the region and they pulled the rest of the Great Powers into the conflict through their various alliances and treaties. The assassination of the Austrian Archduke was the spark that set of WWI in the end.

WWII: It all boils down to one megalomaniac and his dreams. Yes we must also take into account Germany's thirst for revenge but the Nazi's in the end were the driving force.
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WW2 happened less than 30 years after WW1. Many proxy wars happened after that. It'll happen, but no one will label it as WW3, it will just be considered as another conflict. Some could argue that the ongoing conflict in the middle east is ww3 because many countries are involved.


after ww1 there was still alot of rivalty left from ww1. not all problems were solved. after ww2 all problems were solved and we started to work more together then any time befor ww2.

and the middle-east conflicts are not a ww3. even tho alot countrys are involved. this is because the wars are all located at the same part of the world. for it to be a world war, this 1 war needs to have fighting about all around the world.
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WWII: It all boils down to one megalomaniac and his dreams. Yes we must also take into account Germany's thirst for revenge but the Nazi's in the end were the driving force.


Of course, this could have been prevented if we had taken action to stop the Nazis before they invaded Poland. We knew that they were illegally rebuilding their military, and after that, when Hitler went to take over Austria and the western portion of then Czechoslovakia, we did nothing to stop him. That aspect of world war II could definitely been prevented. Appeasement is not the way to go. Learn from that current nations.
Now that I'm done fact spouting...

WW2 happened less than 30 years after WW1. Many proxy wars happened after that. It'll happen, but no one will label it as WW3, it will just be considered as another conflict. Some could argue that the ongoing conflict in the middle east is ww3 because many countries are involved.


As Nicohdemus said, the war today is no where near the caliber of a world war. I believe another aspect with the wars to consider, the world wars practically ever citizen felt was necessary to fight it. Today's wars, it seems no body is backing because they seem pointless. I mean, we've been in Afghanistan for over 8 years now and seem to have accomplished nearly nothing. We killed Bin Laden, yes, but there are other leaders to guide terrorist groups.
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Of course, this could have been prevented if we had taken action to stop the Nazis before they invaded Poland. We knew that they were illegally rebuilding their military, and after that, when Hitler went to take over Austria and the western portion of then Czechoslovakia, we did nothing to stop him. That aspect of world war II could definitely been prevented. Appeasement is not the way to go. Learn from that current nations.


And when you take into account the fact that Germany's military was weaker than the Western Powers right up to the Fall of France....it was a missed opportunity especially when most of the German Army was deep in Poland.


I believe another aspect with the wars to consider, the world wars practically ever citizen felt was necessary to fight it.


Total war, when the entire economy is more or less geared towards the war effort.

after ww1 there was still alot of rivalty left from ww1. not all problems were solved. after ww2 all problems were solved and we started to work more together then any time befor ww2.


False, the Grand Alliance was just a marriage of convenience; after WWII, rivalries between the US and Russia merely inflated and expanded. Not all the problems were solved since everyone was still wary about the Germans who in the end became a major focal point of the Cold War.
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there better not be a world war lll

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there better not be a world war lll


Oh, how I hate responses like these. Notice the 30 past posts. If you have nothing smart to say, or anything that is a response to any of the above, don't post anything, please.

I believe another aspect with the wars to consider, the world wars practically ever citizen felt was necessary to fight it.


Not all had to fight, but almost all were involved in it one way or another. Be that producing ammunition, or producing cars or even selling bread to the army.
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Germany's military was weaker than the Western Powers right up to the Fall of France....it was a missed opportunity especially when most of the German Army was deep in Poland.


yea easy talking after it all happend =)

after WWII, rivalries between the US and Russia


i was talking about europe. russia vs usa was A. not a war B. not even close to a world war.
nichodemus
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yea easy talking after it all happend =)


Actually no, the Saar Offensive if pushed further could have wiped the Germans out.
partydevil
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the Saar Offensive if pushed further could have wiped the Germans out.


easy talking after it happend (or not-happend) =)
nichodemus
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easy talking after it happend (or not-happend) =)


Just look at the uneven odds. The Germans were taking a huge gamble.
partydevil
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but it dodn't happen. it's easy to talk about it after it all happens. during that time it wasn't all that easy.

same can be said of "operation valkyrie"

if
they used a higher explosive than hitler would have died by the shock-wave.

but it didn't happen. easy to say after, but it wasn't all that easy back then.

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but it dodn't happen. it's easy to talk about it after it all happens. during that time it wasn't all that easy.


Such historical talk is parlor talk yes, but even the experts of the time admitted it:


German General Siegfried Westphal agreed that the situation in the west was perilous and estimated that the French could have reached the Rhine in two weeks if they had tried.
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