which would essentially make Israel ANOTHER arab country. And because the term "Palestinian" is so loosely defined, any Arab who hated Israel and wanted to see it gone could claim "Palestinian heritage"
As mentioned earlier, the PLO Charter defined "Palestinians" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father â" whether in Palestine or outside it â" is also a Palestinian."
These people clearly have a right to return, even if they hated Israel. They were driven out of their land, and should at least be given the right to return.
any Arab who hated Israel and wanted to see it gone could claim "Palestinian heritage"
No government would be so daft as to allow any Arab with records as a citizen from a hostile Arab country, say Syria, to declare that he's Palestinian. There are documents and records to cross check.
Not ALL of them should be banned, but that is one of the main reasons the Pals refuse to have peace, is because Israel doesn't give them Right of Return, which would essentially make Israel ANOTHER arab country. And because the term "Palestinian" is so loosely defined, any Arab who hated Israel and wanted to see it gone could claim "Palestinian heritage"
No, what logic are you using? If Israel expects the Palestinians to negotiate peace, they should at least be willing to comprise on this most basic matter. A Palestinian should be able to return to Palestine, and no, custom officials are not idiots, and would most likely check the person's records before letting them in to verify their identity, like all countries do. They shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against a people based on their race though! Some Palestinians probably have NO emotional connection whatsoever to the war (such as the children/grandchildren of the expelled Palestinians who are labelled "Stateless", and these people should NOT be denied access because of something they had nothing to do with.
Lastly, how would allowing Palestinians into Israel turn it into an Arab nation? That's like saying allowing Mexicans into the US turns it into a Mexican nation. Please put some thought into what you say.
Lastly, how would allowing Palestinians into Israel turn it into an Arab nation? That's like saying allowing Mexicans into the US turns it into a Mexican nation. Please put some thought into what you say.
What he meant to say I guess is that he was scared it might turn into an Arab-dominated nation with the majority of citizens being Arabs.
What he meant to say I guess is that he was scared it might turn into an Arab-dominated nation with the majority of citizens being Arabs.
It doesn't matter what the ethnicity of the citizens are. Why is there negative connotation associated with Arab ethnicity, anyway? They're people, no lesser than anyone else.
It doesn't matter what the ethnicity of the citizens are. Why is there negative connotation associated with Arab ethnicity, anyway? They're people, no lesser than anyone else.
You must understand from the Israeli point of view that after being persecuted for thousands of years, and after being in 3 wars and multiple other conflicts with Arabs, they are naturally afraid. Because if they become a minority in what was their own nation, they would understandably be afraid of being trodden on again. For the Israelis, it is always good to be on their guard.
No, what logic are you using? If Israel expects the Palestinians to negotiate peace, they should at least be willing to comprise on this most basic matter.
The Israelis have already offered financial compensation on this matter! However the Pals do not want Israel to exist! The PLO charter even states that their main goal is to wipe Israel off the map. If the Pals do not accept financial compensation, than Israel will not do anything because they don't want their demographics swamped with Palestinians!
It doesn't matter what the ethnicity of the citizens are. Why is there negative connotation associated with Arab ethnicity, anyway? They're people, no lesser than anyone else.
Yes it does. Israel's primary existance is as a Jewish nation. The only one in the world. Muslims have pleanty, the Christians have the Vatican, why can't the Jews have Israel? If the demographics of Israel is overrun by Pals, than it will cease to be a Jewish homeland.
That's like saying allowing Mexicans into the US turns it into a Mexican nation. Please put some thought into what you say.
No, because no matter how many Mexicans would come into the US, US citizens would still be the majority. With a country like Israel (pop. approx. 7.5 mill), letting in even 2 million Pals would basically take away the Jewish identity of the country.
The Israelis have already offered financial compensation on this matter!
So now I drive you off your land and in return offer a few green slips of paper? That doesn't work out.
the Christians have the Vatican
The Vatican is Catholic. It doesn't represent all Christians. Mormons, Amish, Lutherans, Baptists, Calvinists, they all don't have a single state.
The PLO charter even states that their main goal is to wipe Israel off the map. If the Pals do not accept financial compensation, than Israel will not do anything because they don't want their demographics swamped with Palestinians!
Actually no. Arafat amended it. The articles identified by Arafat as nullified call for Palestinian unity in armed struggle, deny the legitimacy of the establishment of Israel, deny the existence of a Jewish people with a historical or religious connection to Palestine, and label Zionism a racist, imperialist, fanatic, fascist, aggressive, colonialist political movement that must be eliminated from the Middle East for the sake of world peace.
Clinton recognised it, and opened up dialogues with the PLO in 1998, followed by Israel shortly after.
So now I drive you off your land and in return offer a few green slips of paper? That doesn't work out.
But it is better than nothing. The Pals can't expect them to get everything that they want served to them on a silver platter. At least you are given the power to buy some land either in Israel or somewhere else.
The Vatican is Catholic. It doesn't represent all Christians. Mormons, Amish, Lutherans, Baptists, Calvinists, they all don't have a single state.
That is true. However, again, at least the people who follow Jesus have a country. It might not be the same denomination as them, but it is still a country that is governed by the rules of the Bible.
You also didn't counter my point that it is Israel's essential duty to be a Jewish state, and that losing its identity as a Jewish country would be awful. Does this mean that you agree?
But it is better than nothing. The Pals can't expect them to get everything that they want served to them on a silver platter. At least you are given the power to buy some land either in Israel or somewhere else.
After being driven off land allotted to them by the UN, I can see why they're angry with the Israelis. Because it was their land.
You also didn't counter my point that it is Israel's essential duty to be a Jewish state, and that losing its identity as a Jewish country would be awful. Does this mean that you agree?
I basically dislike any state that has an official religion tied with its constitution because I think it hinders people. I don't support any state in having an official religion because it fosters an ''Us-And-Them'' mentality.
After being driven off land allotted to them by the UN, I can see why they're angry with the Israelis. Because it was their land.
Yes, and I can also see why they are angry. However, they can either just stay angry with nothing, or be angry with some cash. It's their choice.
I basically dislike any state that has an official religion tied with its constitution because I think it hinders people. I don't support any state in having an official religion because it fosters an ''Us-And-Them'' mentality.
In Israel, while things are somewhat unbalanced between Jews and non-Jews, for the most part it is a secular state. It is not a country like Saudi Arabia which practices strict religious law. Israel has secular courts for crimes, and rabbinic courts for divorces and such.
Will this topic ever drop? I mean really, dont you guys have something more important to be interested in then this really small conflict? I mean I get it when Arabs get obsesed about it but why you? There's much bigger conflicts you probably never heard about.
Will this topic ever drop? I mean really, dont you guys have something more important to be interested in then this really small conflict? I mean I get it when Arabs get obsesed about it but why you? There's much bigger conflicts you probably never heard about.
Zaky and Master are from Israel. It matters to them. Don't go shooting off when you don't comprehend how important it is to him.
There's much bigger conflicts you probably never heard about.
Oh no, this issue that has sparked three wars, and multiple terrorists acts whilst destabilizing the region isn't important or big at all.
Back on track.
Yes, and I can also see why they are angry. However, they can either just stay angry with nothing, or be angry with some cash. It's their choice.
Imagine a father gives his two sons half a cake each. Subsequently, one of them takes the half from his brother and then offers him a sweet as consolation. That's how unfair it is.
In Israel, while things are somewhat unbalanced between Jews and non-Jews, for the most part it is a secular state. It is not a country like Saudi Arabia which practices strict religious law. Israel has secular courts for crimes, and rabbinic courts for divorces and such.
Yes but ultimately, the Jews aim for a Jewish majority in a Jewish state. Religious or not, its aim is still to maintain its Jewish character.
Im from Israel too, and i posted like 30 posts here a while ago. I also already know Zaky. What I dont know is why this conflict is so important to you western folks. The casualties in our wars here with our Arab friends arn't nearly as close to whats going in in places like South Asia or many many places in Africa. Did you for example hear about the series of wars between India and Pakistan? Theres no reason at all why the Israeli-Arab conflict is the only non American conflict that hits the Western front pages so very often (or the UN votes).
