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bobbyr5
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I just feel the morals and ethics of the middle east aren't right compared to any western country.

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CommanderDude7
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During Prophet Muhammad's time (pbuh)in Medinah, Muslims and Jews lived along side each other peacefully with both sides respecting each other and providing support for each other. I believe this is how it should be. Should either side start a war, it would end in a vicious circle of violence in which neither side would solve their problems or attain peace.

Actually Jews disagreed with Muhammad on a number of subjects. Part of this disagreement led to the change in prayer direction from Jerusalem to Mecca. In fact the disagreements and conflict led Muhammad to believe the Jews were helping the Meccans in their siege of Medina. This in turn lead to two tribes getting thrown out of Medina and in the third all the men were killed the women and children were sold into slavery.
nichodemus
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Actually Jews disagreed with Muhammad on a number of subjects. Part of this disagreement led to the change in prayer direction from Jerusalem to Mecca. In fact the disagreements and conflict led Muhammad to believe the Jews were helping the Meccans in their siege of Medina. This in turn lead to two tribes getting thrown out of Medina and in the third all the men were killed the women and children were sold into slavery.


To be fair, the Jews had much better treatment under the various Muslim Caliphates as compared to the Christian kingdoms.
thepunisher93
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During Prophet Muhammad's time (pbuh)in Medinah, Muslims and Jews lived along side each other peacefully with both sides respecting each other and providing support for each other. I believe this is how it should be. Should either side start a war, it would end in a vicious circle of violence in which neither side would solve their problems or attain peace.

until jews were kicked out.
zakyman
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until jews were kicked out.


Again, why do you assume that it is the Jews that will lose? The IDF is arguably the BEST military in the world in terms of technology and efficiency.
thepunisher93
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Again, why do you assume that it is the Jews that will lose? The IDF is arguably the BEST military in the world in terms of technology and efficiency.

LMAO
read the first posts then you will understand what i am talking about.
zakyman
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LMAO
read the first posts then you will understand what i am talking about.


I did read the posts, and unfortunately with your history of bad English, I didn't know if you were talking about modern times (
Should either side start a war, it would end in a vicious circle of violence in which neither side would solve their problems or attain peace.
) Or in the past.
thepunisher93
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I did read the posts, and unfortunately with your history of bad English, I didn't know if you were talking about modern times (

Then enlighten me, how should have i written this sentence.
until jews were kicked out.
zakyman
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That sentence is correct, however considering the paragraph you quoted involved both the past and the present, and along with your history of bad english, I simply assumed that you were talking about modern times. I apologize

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i support part of israle.


i am jewish but.

do not like the fact that israel descriminaes agenst pals simply cause they live in israel.

wather israel should ecsitst or not is easy. yes it should cause they took the land. still...

if only the would could live in peace...

zakyman
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if only the would could live in peace...


Unfortunately that will not happen until the Pals can go to the table without pre-conditions. They can't expect the "Right of Return" or anything more than the 1967-lines with land swaps.
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if only the would could live in peace...

Unfortunately that will not happen until the Pals can go to the table without pre-conditions. They can't expect the "Right of Return" or anything more than the 1967-lines with land swaps.


Really? A right of return is an unreasonable condition? You really think asking to come back to their country of origin is too much to ask? Wow. I don't care who Palestine originally belonged to but these people were born there and leaving them scattered around the world, some of them labelled "stateless" is inhumane. How can you expect Palestinians to agree to the two-state solution when you're denying them basic rights? If Palestinians do "go to the table without preconditions" they WILL be abused and discriminated against, Israel's history of exaggerated retaliation shows that giving it power over Palestinians will not end nicely.

I'm all for peace, but it won't happen if one side is being treated as inferior.
nichodemus
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Really? A right of return is an unreasonable condition? You really think asking to come back to their country of origin is too much to ask? Wow. I don't care who Palestine originally belonged to but these people were born there and leaving them scattered around the world, some of them labelled "stateless" is inhumane. How can you expect Palestinians to agree to the two-state solution when you're denying them basic rights? If Palestinians do "go to the table without preconditions" they WILL be abused and discriminated against, Israel's history of exaggerated retaliation shows that giving it power over Palestinians will not end nicely.


Well, if they do return it would be a massive problem of relocation and settling them down. Be a bit like a flood of say Mexican immigrants swamping Texas. So I'm still stuck on this one. That's why I can't set policies.
Skyla
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Well, if they do return it would be a massive problem of relocation and settling them down. Be a bit like a flood of say Mexican immigrants swamping Texas. So I'm still stuck on this one. That's why I can't set policies.


Well it's not like every Palestinian that left will return all at the same time, many of the people expelled during the exodus are grandparents now, with their children having never seen their parent's lands before. I think its the concept that they SHOULD be allowed to, if they want to enter Israel, they should be able to. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't be BANNED from entering.
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I think its the concept that they SHOULD be allowed to, if they want to enter Israel, they should be able to. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't be BANNED from entering.


Ah that makes more sense. Yes I do support that too.
zakyman
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I think its the concept that they SHOULD be allowed to, if they want to enter Israel, they should be able to. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't be BANNED from entering.


Not ALL of them should be banned, but that is one of the main reasons the Pals refuse to have peace, is because Israel doesn't give them Right of Return, which would essentially make Israel ANOTHER arab country. And because the term "Palestinian" is so loosely defined, any Arab who hated Israel and wanted to see it gone could claim "Palestinian heritage"
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