I saw somebody say this on a thread a while back, and just remembered it, "It would be better to reign in hell that serve in heaven."
That's not word for word, and I don't remember who said it, but that is the just of it.
This seems ridiculous to me for several reasons. First, no one will reign in hell, not even Satan himself after God casts him back to hell permanently in the second coming. In hell, you will not have any other human contact, and be forever tortured with the worst pain imaginable, and every second will feel like an hour, and every day like a year. In heaven, you will be a servant of God, but you will want to serve Him. It will not be like being a slave, heaven will be perfect, everything you've ever wanted times ten, with no pain, sadness, or boredom.
In my opinion, that statement is horribly false, but what do you guys think?
first of all im not sure why you didnt just quote him and responded when that happened :S
second, yes you do make sense BUT.... heaven is perfect only for some people. and the heaven you talk about only lets specific people in even if they are kind or even pure souls.
if heaven would be perfect then how would the people who enjoy surprise/danger/adventure feel? in heaven you are always safe which means no adrenaline. its not a perfect place for them.
how would those with a big sexual need feel? if im not wrong sex is an unholy thing in that belief.
how would gay people feel if they arent even allowed to love someone there?
all those people will be doomed to forever be in a place they dont like.
you might say they will get "urified" or something but in my opinion that would change who they are. so yes, if your getting brainwashed you can be happy in any place.
im sure the person who said that mostly meant what i said, saying that that heaven you talk about would make him miserable
Of course, but it's human. The only statement of this sentence is to say, "I prefer to reign than to serve, whatever place it may be". You don't even have to apply it on heaven and hell, other examples like an empire and a village come to mind.
In heaven, you will be a servant of God, but you will want to serve Him.
I can't help thinking of brainwash or lobotomy when reading such comments...
The rest of your post basically describe how you see the concept of heaven and hell, but not all might share this opinion. Aren't there even some christians who don't believe in hell? The concept, as well as the quote you find so ridiculus, are just metaphors.
first of all im not sure why you didnt just quote him and responded when that happened :S
It was on like the second page of a locked thread that had like 80 pages.
second, yes you do make sense BUT.... heaven is perfect only for some people. and the heaven you talk about only lets specific people in even if they are kind or even pure souls.
This is not the heaven I belief in, i'm not catholic. I belief what the New Testament says, that anyone who believes in their heart and confesses with their tongue that Jesus is the son of God and Lord will enter heaven.
As for the people that heaven would not be perfect for, we do not know what heaven will hold, and my God is a god of adventure, so I'm sure that we will go on adventures, just not the kind we are used to on earth. Sex is not unholy in Christianity, it is God's gift to a married couple. However, it is unholy outside of marriage. I'm not sure on the gay thing, so I don't know, but I do know that in God's eyes all sin is equal, from lying to being gay, to murder.
I am very certain we are not going to be brainwashed.
Of course, but it's human. The only statement of this sentence is to say, "I prefer to reign than to serve, whatever place it may be". You don't even have to apply it on heaven and hell, other examples like an empire and a village come to mind.
well your belief is much less strict then the usuall belief i get from most christians.
im not sure what your belief exactly is...
if all sin is equal... then how do humans even get to heaven? they regret it? you cant regret being born the way you were born.
also i think it is unfair that heaven only accepts christians.
if you were born a sinner it is gods fault. but i dont believe in a god that creates you to be doomed to go to hell or doomed to have less rights then other people. im mostly talking about being gay because your born that way but i am also talking about other religions.
religion is a choice yes, but chances are that if you are born to a certain religion you will believe in that religion. in the end, its not really a decision if your being brainwashed to believe in it. some people in the world dont even know that such a thing as christianity exists.
and most importantly, a person who wants to believe, how would he know which religion is right? both christianity and islam only accept to heaven those who believe in it. how can a person know which belief he should believe in?
there is no way of knowing and that means that him going to hell/heaven is based on luck. i refuse to believe that god does things this way
Aren't there even some christians who don't believe in hell?
Yes, and there are some who don't believe in heaven or an afterlife either, like Jehovah witnesses who believe in a resurrection.
I can't help, but thinking what type of God would condemn anyone to hell (even the worst of the worst, people who've commited absolutely everything horrible) for maybe a mere 80 years of a bad life. How fair is it that for 80 years of wrong doing you're sent to hell for infinite which is trillions upon trillions of years endlessly for a petty 80 years of evil.
What type of God would allow all the bad things on this earth (crime, poverty, global warming, killings, broken hearts, babies dieing, kids dieing, wars like WWII, and The Great Depression and especially people being born with disabilities) for any reason, it's unforgivable if he can stop it. I don't know if you see what I mean, but think of the worst thing possible happening to a nice person and how this omnipotent God just watched not helping at all.
Simply unforgivable and worse than anyone ever has done.
I am a born-again Christian, who believes what the Bible says.
if all sin is equal... then how do humans even get to heaven? they regret it? you cant regret being born the way you were bor
It is not about regret, it is about confessing to God that you know you have sinned, and believing in your heart that Jesus was the son of God, and confessing it.
if you were born a sinner it is gods fault.
Everyone is born a sinner, that is not what keeps you out of heaven, for Jesus died for the sins of the world.
also i think it is unfair that heaven only accepts christians.
This is because in order to get to the heaven I believe in, you must believe in God, which is what makes you a Christian.
religion is a choice yes, but chances are that if you are born to a certain religion you will believe in that religion. in the end, its not really a decision if your being brainwashed to believe in it. some people in the world dont even know that such a thing as christianity exists
Unfortunatly, most people do just believe in the religion they are born into. This is not the way it should be though. Because God loves each of us, I believe that he is working to give each and every one of us a chance to make that decision.
and most importantly, a person who wants to believe, how would he know which religion is right? both christianity and islam only accept to heaven those who believe in it. how can a person know which belief he should believe in?
There are two reasons I know that I believe in the "right" God. Unlike all other gods, mine doesn't require me to live a perfect, or good, life to get into heaven. Also, my God actually sent His son to make the greatest sacrifice for me.
Are you willing to leave where you spend eternity up to luck?
PanzerTank- God does not condemn anyone to hell for being a bad person, He does it because they refuse to believe in Him. He doesn't want anyone to go to hell. Also, God does not stand by and do nothing, He has a eternal plan for everyone, and because this plan is eternal, we can often not see how it is justified that a "good" person might be born with disabilities.
Are you willing to leave where you spend eternity up to luck?
Are you willing to spend an eternity with a sick twisted God who forgets what righteousness is?
I personally believe in a creator, whether he cares about us idk, whether he's omnipotent idk, whether there is an afterlife idk, (but fervently wish for one) but I do believe in a creator.
God does not condemn anyone to hell for being a bad person, He does it because they refuse to believe in Him. He doesn't want anyone to go to hell. Also, God does not stand
No one should be condemned to hell for an eternity (I don't think you realize the pure massiveness of eternity) for endless suffering and torment for a petty 80 years, how can you say that is right or just?
He doesn't want anyone to go to hell.
The point is he lets them goto hell.
Also, God does not stand by and do nothing, He has a eternal plan for everyone, and because this plan is eternal
He does stand by and do nothing watching even if he has an eternal plan. It is still not excusable, it is twisted, wrong and unjust to be an omnipotent being allow all the horrors on planet earth to happen no matter what reason if you're truly omnipotent.
and because this plan is eternal, we can often not see how it is justified that a "good" person might be born with disabilities.
Horrible reasoning to excuse someone for allowing people to be born with disabilities. A life time of mockery and being excluded most likely. A life time of degregation. Can you really forgive this omnipotent being for all the wrongs on earth to keep on going even if he has a plan?
Everyone is born a sinner, that is not what keeps you out of heaven, for Jesus died for the sins of the world.
that is what i dont like in the belief. all people are bad and have to know that. well i refuse to believe that humans are born bad.
It is not about regret, it is about confessing to God that you know you have sinned, and believing in your heart that Jesus was the son of God, and confessing it.
how can you understand your sin if there is no explanation. there are many sins that dont make sense for example being gay. (or actually just being human).
This is because in order to get to the heaven I believe in, you must believe in God, which is what makes you a Christian.
thats not an answer. thats repeating my question as a sentence without the question mark...
Unfortunatly, most people do just believe in the religion they are born into. This is not the way it should be though. Because God loves each of us, I believe that he is working to give each and every one of us a chance to make that decision.
"working"??? really? we are talking about god. he doesnt have to "work" if he wanted things to be fair theyd be fair. im 99% sure you wouldnt believe in christianity if you were born in a different place.
There are two reasons I know that I believe in the "right" God. Unlike all other gods, mine doesn't require me to live a perfect, or good, life to get into heaven. Also, my God actually sent His son to make the greatest sacrifice for me.
no, but he wants you to see yourself as a sinner because you were born, also, no other god is that strict as you say.
the second reason is DEFENITELY not a reason. its part of your belief. you cant put part of your belief to support the reason you believe in your belief....
you dont. but others do. because he definitely favors some people over others based on the location they were born at, their religion and their sexual likes and dislikes
