I saw somebody say this on a thread a while back, and just remembered it, "It would be better to reign in hell that serve in heaven."
That's not word for word, and I don't remember who said it, but that is the just of it.
This seems ridiculous to me for several reasons. First, no one will reign in hell, not even Satan himself after God casts him back to hell permanently in the second coming. In hell, you will not have any other human contact, and be forever tortured with the worst pain imaginable, and every second will feel like an hour, and every day like a year. In heaven, you will be a servant of God, but you will want to serve Him. It will not be like being a slave, heaven will be perfect, everything you've ever wanted times ten, with no pain, sadness, or boredom.
In my opinion, that statement is horribly false, but what do you guys think?
Yes, I agree. A life lived by high moral standards will generally reap a better outcome than one who has low ones.
It was sarcasm if you didn't catch it. If Heaven is filled with all sorts of self righteous people who think their value system is much better than yours, I would rather be in Hell.
I didn't say that people with upright moral standards go to heaven. I said that having upright moral standards generally live better lives. Having high moral standards doesn't change the fact that they are still sinful. I thought that you were Muslim (correct me if I'm wrong). Isn't all of Islam about having upright morals and living a fulfilling life? :P
God's equivilant of the death sentence is eternal torture
So, in a way, you're saying that death is god's best idea to handle sins and their consequences
No, death is not a punishment from God. It is the "wage of sin" to quote the Bible. Any "eternal torture" is caused by your own sins. You reap what you sow. I'm thinking (though it's not specified in the Bible) that someone who sins greatly will feel great suffering and someone who sins rarely will feel little suffering, or maybe just as much suffering as they would feel in their life on Earth. C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce" has a very interesting look on what hell might be like.
No it doesn't.
That is the Christian belief. I don't mind if you don't agree. :P
Mh, sure. But did the fact that religion can be misused so easily, never make you think about the rightfulness of the institution?
Personally, I find religion is the biggest piece of crap ever created. That being said, I would not call a relationship with the Creator of the universe religion. I find that having 5 minutes with The Holy Spirit is better than maybe the total of 5 years of my life.
Exactly. And not before. Because the all-powerful godly god needed all that time to realize his miscalculation.
No, He needed all that time to correctly set it up. There can only be one perfect sacrifice. Anything else would have to be imperfect. Therefore the only way to do it was through Jesus, at that time, with those people.
No, death is not a punishment from God. It is the "wage of sin" to quote the Bible. Any "eternal torture" is caused by your own sins. You reap what you sow. I'm thinking (though it's not specified in the Bible) that someone who sins greatly will feel great suffering and someone who sins rarely will feel little suffering, or maybe just as much suffering as they would feel in their life on Earth. C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce" has a very interesting look on what hell might be like.
But, if it doesn't come from god, doesn't that mean that he has no control over it, that he couldn't change it? And if he could, that means it is the best way he can imagine. But, after all isn't he supposed to have created everything, including this 'an eye for an eye' sin and death system?
No, death is not a punishment from God. It is the "wage of sin" to quote the Bible. Any "eternal torture" is caused by your own sins. You reap what you sow. I'm thinking (though it's not specified in the Bible) that someone who sins greatly will feel great suffering and someone who sins rarely will feel little suffering, or maybe just as much suffering as they would feel in their life on Earth. C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce" has a very interesting look on what hell might be like.
but still there is no explanation of the "sins". again in the christian belief, everyone is born as a sinner. we are all horibble people who sin. why being non-christian is a sin? because "i want you to love me :*(" thought that god needs. i cant think of a different reason.
why is being homosexual a sin? no one can even explain this one. most things you get from people who "explain" that are things like "because he created eve". honestly that means nothing. originally he didnt create instruments either. so playing music is a sin? really, what is the sin? why is it so bad? it doesnt hurt anyone.
those are the 2 sins i disagree with and probably the only 2 i know. but im sure there are many other sins that cant be explained. in other words, you just have to blindly follow those things or else you will suffer. doesnt sound fair and all loving to me. besides, you are born as a homosexual or as a child to a non-christian family. if that family wants they can teach you whatever they want. including a religion that is the same as christianity and says that people who dont believe in that religion go to hell. how is this a sin if you have no control over this? i think that it is a horibble thing to judge someone because of where and how he was born.
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Wow, that was surprisingly funny to me
Whilst we're still talking about sins, let's take into count how many Christians do good deeds because it's a good deed, rather than just for ending up in heaven. From my personal experience, almost no Christian I met is doing the good deeds because it actually helps someone. Religion blinds.
why is being homosexual a sin?
Don't Christians claim that God accepts all? Doesn't seem like it
Whilst we're still talking about sins, let's take into count how many Christians do good deeds because it's a good deed, rather than just for ending up in heaven. From my personal experience, almost no Christian I met is doing the good deeds because it actually helps someone. Religion blinds.
Well, I think simple acts of compassion like helping someone who fell, or giving a dollar to a beggar are just that, no consideration of God in them. It might be due to me coming from a less religious place, or because most of the people I interact with are less cynical youths.
well, im religios and i believe that heaven is for good people, while hell is for bad people. cant explain more then that. but you dont have to be pure to go to heaven. i do good deeds because i want no regrets when i die and because i know how horibble it is to feel like you need help and no one wants to help you. it has nothing to do with heaven/hell. i think the deeds you do because you want to go to heaven mean nothing. i know plently of religios people who do no bad deeds or good deeds. i wouldnt count them as good people but i think they will end up in heaven. even people who do bad small deeds arent doomed to hell i think.
i also think you get think about your life as you die. and those feeling beat your bad deeds. if you regret being bad then its ok. your punishment is the regret you will always feel.
i know religios people who are horibble (for some reason.... its not too rare...:/) and dont even realise that. all they care about is their heaven and thats it. i think heaven/hell is more about your feelings rather then your actions. and its more about hurting and respecting the people around you then a religios element.
You seem like a reasonable Christian, so tell me, if one does not accept Christ, will he end up perishing in hell for all eternity because of that? That's what most Christians tend to tell me
i also think you get think about your life as you die. and those feeling beat your bad deeds. if you regret being bad then its ok. your punishment is the regret you will always feel.
You seem like a reasonable Christian, so tell me, if one does not accept Christ, will he end up perishing in hell for all eternity because of that? That's what most Christians tend to tell me
no. because im not christian XD lol.
Couldn't understand the first sentence.
sorry, i meant that your final feeling is more important then your deeds. if you are sorry about killing or whatever you did. actually regreting it (not because you want to get to heaven) then you will be forgiven
That quote, is perfectly fine for me. I don't believe in God, so if I'm wrong, I'm probably going to go to Hell, might as well have fun while doing it.
That quote, is perfectly fine for me. I don't believe in God, so if I'm wrong, I'm probably going to go to Hell, might as well have fun while doing it.
only if the chrsitian/muslim belief is right. i dont know any other religions that say that disblief results in hell
