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Aeridani
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We really need more stress in our lives.

What the **** is going on with the government?

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partydevil
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from your link:

the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.


the usa will never ever be allowed to arrest and imprison civilians in a other country the the usa itself. even if those civilians are american. they need the country in question to arrest the man and ask them to send him to the usa for a trail.

this "law" holds no ground in other countrys then usa. so they do not have to follow it.

the usa should make laws for their own country and not try to make world laws. the usa isn't part of my country and should stay the hell out of here.
dair5
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I think this is crazy. First, how can you arrest a person who is in another country for no reason. Second, how can you arrest someone for no reason. The government can easily abuse power with a law like this. And if you asked the people what they thought of this any sensible person would be against it.

MageGrayWolf
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What the **** is going on with the government?


That's a pretty good question.

Both partydevil and dair are right. I'm not really sure what to say. Between this and other bills that are up all I can do is this.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/Epic_Facepalm_by_RJTH.jpg
nichodemus
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Strangely, none of the major news websites, BBC, Economist, Fox, etc have reported this. Just saying.

chang
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No...just no
If you start detaining Americans without charge or trial then there will be a rebellion and I'll be joining it. The Constitution wouldn't be trampled like that by our so called government without repercussions.

Aeridani
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No...just no
If you start detaining Americans without charge or trial then there will be a rebellion and I'll be joining it. The Constitution wouldn't be trampled like that by our so called government without repercussions.


I would join the rebellion. Except I'm a little young..
gamer66618
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Er... No.

Aeridani
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Er... No.


Wait, wtf?

What was I thinking!

Why the hell would I join a rebellion!

Don't count me un-patriotic. I just think sitting in a tent strategizing is better for me.
NoNameC68
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the usa will never ever be allowed to arrest and imprison civilians in a other country the the usa itself. even if those civilians are american.


But we can use missiles against them...

Mr. Gingrich indicated that there exists a line between criminal law and the war on terror, and that we need not worry the government will overstep its bounds.


This is like saying there's a difference between murder and war on terrorism. Gingrich can kiss my *** that twat.
nichodemus
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murder and war on terrorism


Well, so would you care to label the killing of Osama as a murder? Admittedly, it has done more harm than good, this war, but there is a difference, when you get the right man.
nichodemus
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Also, no one has answered my question. I googled, and the articles I can find regarding this are all the same, and on rather dubious websites and forums. The first of which is this. None of the major media outlets has reported this, in fact, the second google search termed up this very AG discussion.

BRAAINZz
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Whats their goal of randomly arresting people with no charges? They've done nothing wrong. All it will do is start problems. It seems like a law allowing the U.S. military to harass people with no avail. Why does the U.S. government like to be instigators?

Devoidless
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This stinks of sensationalistic bull.

Might it be loosely based off of some act that is actually going to be voted on? Possibly.

If act in question -really- so blatantly, what's the word? Illegal? An obvious violation of basic human/Constitutional rights and international treaties? I doubt it.

If the government really wanted to somehow keep it secret (while breaking some laws and following others oddly enough), it would be a secret. Totally and utterly.
Actually, I retract that statement.
It would be brazenly open and publicized under all sorts of government jargon and loopholes and indecipherable legal language. That's how they get all the other shifty acts passed.*coughPatriotActcough*

nichodemus
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This stinks of sensationalistic bull.


Yep. I refuse to believe it unless a credible source is brought on.

*coughPatriotActcough*


Well in this case it would enrage the entire world in what would be tantamount to kidnapping. Hence my utter disbelief at this piece of fantastic news/conspiracy theory.
Devoidless
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Well in this case it would enrage the entire world


Well, yes. The point was that if ever the government sought to seek the passing of such an act, it would not be hush-hush. Heck, -could not- be hush-hush. Because it would require the (impossible to acquire) permission from every country. In the world.

Yet my point was that when the Patriot Act was passed, they sold it as the most amazing anti-terrorism means evar. When it really just gave the government permission to tap out lines and see out bank transactions and the like. It was passed post hate after the shock of 9/11 with little thought by the 'common man' how it would forever affect the privacy of the countries citizens. Anyone ever read the front page title of "TERRORISTS CAPTURED DUE TO INFORMATION ACQUIRED THANKS TO PATRIOT ACT"?

No? Me either.
/rant
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