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nichodemus
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Since this topic hasn't been popping up much, and since the old threads are all so cluttered up, I took the liberty of creating this new one.

So yes, someone asked me for sources about my claims that 1500 species of animals practice homosexual behaviour? Here.


Source 1

Source 2

Now on to one of the sub questions. Is it natural? Well, someone mentioned that it wasn't natural only for humans. Now, why this discrimination? If the Gods of various religions keep throwing and creating people who are homosexual, either a) They're bad factory operators or b) Something is fishy with whatever anti-gay talk religious conservatives swear is sacred.

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devsaupa
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All biases aside, I truly think it is wrong to be gay. Not trying to offend anyone, but it seriously is unnatural,


It is actually a bit natural, just not to the people that oppose it. Humans are animals and just because we are "civilized" does not change that.

Again, I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, or trying to personally attack anyone, but my opinion stands.


If you read previous pages, opinions like that get attacked on this thread, so watch what you say about the topic. =P
dair5
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we are humans


Yet, we are still animals.

we are civilized


So shouldn't we be civilized enough to respect other people dispite their differences? How many rights movements have there been because of people not being able to accept others. Black rights, women's rights, and now gay rights. People are different. But that doesn't make them bad. Different is not bad.
dair5
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If you read previous pages, opinions like that get attacked on this thread, so watch what you say about the topic. =P


I hope I haven't been attacking. I don't like attacking people. I may have done a little raging though... I wonder if anyone has changed their minds about gays at all.
Hypermnestra
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I don't appreciate you stereotyping my state. In fact, I believe that is against the forum rules....

I apologize. I'm not trying to stereotype you or offend anyone, but the fact remains that in the Bible Belt, that is a somewhat widespread opinion. Also, feel free to make all the Utah-Mormon-polygamist jokes you like.

That's your opinion, and I respect that. I never suggested anything be done, I suggested things NOT done.

Respect for one anothers' beliefs aside, the point of the WEPR forum is kind of to debate...not necessarily because we're trying to change anyone's mind or anything, but just for fun.

What does the Bible have to do with me, may I inquire?

You've never heard of the Bible Belt? It's a slang term for the Southwestern United States, it's got nothing to do with you other than that's where you live. He wasn't trying to insinuate anything.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/BibleBelt.png/256px-BibleBelt.png
Hypermnestra
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Southwestern

*Southeastern, sorry.
nichodemus
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That's your opinion, and I respect that. I never suggested anything be done, I suggested things NOT done.


Uh-huh. Now the thing crazyape has done is the opposite. He doesn't respect homosexuals and claims that they aren't our ''equals''. That's not respect, that's akin to racism.

May God bless every conservative with a homosexual child. Then they will know the discrimination.
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I don't appreciate you stereotyping my state. In fact, I believe that is against the forum rules....


I seriously dislike people from Texas. I honestly hate it here but whatever.

First of all, homosexuality is not a choice that the people make. They don't choose to be homosexual or heterosexual, it has to do with the amount of testosterone and estrogen received while they are still in their mother's womb.


One of my friends told me that the greater amount of male children a woman has the greater chance the younger ones will turn out to be homosexual. I only have one brother so I guess I was just an exception to that.

Second, even if the whole world did "go gay"(not that it would ever happen), so what? I assume that reproduction, continuation of the human race, etc. is your primary concern. It is possible now for two homosexual people to have children, thanks to science.


How exactly is this possible?

What you're suggesting is absolutely impossible, and even if it were possible, it would be a massive invasion of privacy, and an equally massive waste of precious government resources.


I believe that it's unconstitutional as well. Not to mention just plain wrong.

[quote]I don't believe homosexuals should be treated as equals.
That's your opinion, and I respect that. I never suggested anything be done, I suggested things NOT done.[/quote]

Why contradicting yourself after only what? Three pages? If even that. You can't show respect for another's decision if you can't respect others. Your obviously not show any respect for others by saying homosexuals shouldn't be treated as equals and now you contradict yourself?
I believe nick is correct about that being the same as racism.
nichodemus
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How exactly is this possible?


Surrogate mothers. And in the future, cloning if technology permits.


Why contradicting yourself after only what? Three pages? If even that. You can't show respect for another's decision if you can't respect others. Your obviously not show any respect for others by saying homosexuals shouldn't be treated as equals and now you contradict yourself?


Well he has since the start of the thread till now been claiming he respects our opinions, but tells us that gays aren't our equals.
stephenking
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I seriously dislike people from Texas. I honestly hate it here but whatever.
Oh. Technically, you dislike me.
Hypermnestra
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How exactly is this possible?

Primarily through donor insemination if you're lesbian and surrogate mothers if you're gay.
wipe42
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Oh. Technically, you dislike me.


Well I don't know you. I meant that I seriously dislike most people from Texas. Although, I am technically in Texas right now.

Primarily through donor insemination if you're lesbian and surrogate mothers if you're gay.


Ah ok. Yeah that makes sense. So it would still be possible for a lot of people to have children.
stephenking
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Well I don't know you. I meant that I seriously dislike most people from Texas. Although, I am technically in Texas right now.
Ah. Just saying, our accents aren't that bad. (Mine is okay)
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His profile says he's from Texas. Homophobia is probably the norm, you can't really blame him entirely.


you suck, hyper. thats all i need to say on that one.

Also, feel free to make all the Utah-Mormon-polygamist jokes you like.


once again, you suck hyper. thats the second time you hit one of my nerves.

I seriously dislike people from Texas. I honestly hate it here but whatever.


whats there to hate? if you want a more liberal community, go to austin. the weather is fine, and the only real problems we have right now is our drought, and our idiot govenor.

all anger aside now, I promise.

now back onto the debate at hand.

I have read over what I have missed and found that it is perfectly acceptable for people to be gay. the world won't "go gay", but if it did, people will still be able to reproduce through indirect means. besides, we need to limit our breeding rates right now, and that actually seems like a great way to do it.

look, religious beliefs aside, I have seen logically that gay people are really no threat to the wellfare of our infrastructure. homosexuality is most likely genetic, so there is really no reason for us to be angry for something that was decided before they had the chance to put their say in.

emotionally, the gay people that live in my neighborhood (2 sets, 1 male-male, 1 female-female. lol I collected them all) are very nice people. both sets had kids, and they turned out perfectly fine. I've seen both sides of the argument, and I can easily say that anti-homosexuality is really an awkward mixture of ignorance, and fear.

this is my analysis. feel free to oppose it if you wish.

-Blade
nichodemus
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whats there to hate? if you want a more liberal community, go to austin.


You answered your question. Wipe is a homosexual, and he feels uncomfortable in Texas, which is after all part of the Bible Belt.

emotionally, the gay people that live in my neighborhood (2 sets, 1 male-male, 1 female-female. lol I collected them all) are very nice people. both sets had kids, and they turned out perfectly fine. I've seen both sides of the argument, and I can easily say that anti-homosexuality is really an awkward mixture of ignorance, and fear.


That's good. The only way anti-homosexual conservatives will accept homos are if they actually know people who are homosexual.
Bladerunner679
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That's good. The only way anti-homosexual conservatives will accept homos are if they actually know people who are homosexual.


lol, I'm a libertarian, so I don't really know if you pointed that at me, but I still agree.
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