Now on to one of the sub questions. Is it natural? Well, someone mentioned that it wasn't natural only for humans. Now, why this discrimination? If the Gods of various religions keep throwing and creating people who are homosexual, either a) They're bad factory operators or b) Something is fishy with whatever anti-gay talk religious conservatives swear is sacred.
lol, I'm a libertarian, so I don't really know if you pointed that at me, but I still agree.
No, not at you.
Just to add, before someone comes along ranting and telling us he/she has a right to state how bad he/she feels homosexuals are. Yes, that is perfectly fine, and is what a debate should be like. It is fine to discuss whether they are natural/unnatural, bad for society or not, what they can or cannot do.
But it's not fair and constitutional to declare that homos are not equal to the rest of us ''normal'' straight people. In fact, it places you on par with discriminating jerks like Hitler.
But it's not fair and constitutional to declare that homos are not equal to the rest of us ''normal'' straight people. In fact, it places you on par with discriminating jerks like Hitler.
I thought you were a fascist. Anyway, Nicho wins by Godwin's law! Kidding aside, nice to see you around again.
Now, homosexuals may not feel comfortable in Texas, but straight people don't either. Texas sucks. Whether you should judge people on their state of origin is another story. Tensions between Texan nature and homosexuality, or more generally tensions between masculinity, femininity, gender identity and homosexuality are the core of the issue. Earlier in this thread, we saw male homosexuals decried because their sexuality is unmanly, and many apply the same to female homosexuals (although this is more typically an issue regarding male homosexuals). These are real problems concerning social perceptions of gender and its role in society.
Problems, that is, of the one-dimensional man. I argue that gender and sexual identity are as complex as they are meaningless. The three dimensional man transcends petty distinctions while simultaneously understanding them. The three dimensional person neither embraces nor rejects his or her gender too strongly. He or she merely is, and if what he happens to be fits societal conceptions of gender, so be it.
In short, sexuality is part of someone's identity but it is not his or her identity. I preach neither hatred nor tolerance. I assert that the free mind does not find the issue compelling.
I thought you were a fascist. Anyway, Nicho wins by Godwin's law! Kidding aside, nice to see you around again.
I was I guess. A passing fad in my immature youth. My dark thread on Support Fascism is still here, if anyone wants to delve deep enough. And well, it is a fair observation since Hitler did discriminate, and against gays. And hi too haha.
you suck, hyper. thats all i need to say on that one.
That was just a joke. I know not all Texans are homophobic.
once again, you suck hyper. thats the second time you hit one of my nerves.
I'm a Utahn from a Mormon family. My point was that I wasn't trying to offend anyone and that if he was offended, then he could do the same with me. In short, it was my way of apologizing. And sorry if I've offended you.
I'm a Utahn from a Mormon family. My point was that I wasn't trying to offend anyone and that if he was offended, then he could do the same with me. In short, it was my way of apologizing. And sorry if I've offended you.
appology accepted. now let us get back to the subject at hand.
What does the Bible have to do with me, may I inquire?
Nothing. I was just saying that your state is part of the Bible Belt! Sheesh, people get offended at everything these days. I will try to rephrase that in a more PC way...
*in oxford, british accent*
Dear sir, that blow was below the waistline...the waistline of the United States of America commonly referred to as the Bible Belt due to the high population of Christians.
Nay, sirrah! You have stereotyped the southern area of the United States as being primarily Christian. I am truly offended to my core, and feel the need to show you how it is done.
Dear sir, that blow was below the waistline...the waistline of the United States of America commonly referred to as the Bible Belt due to the high population of Christians.
*However, neither this nickname nor the high concentration of Christians in the area in any way connotes the religion of anyone actually living in the area. Furthermore, by referring to the Bible Belt as being "below the waistline" we are in no way implying that the region, or any of its occupants, are somehow less wealthy or important than their Northern or Western counterparts.
While I disagree with the very idea of homosexuality,
Could you expand on that?
Before this thread goes completely off topic, I'll bring up something else that's related...what about religion? The Bible(or the Old Testament, at least) makes it pretty clear that homosexuality is bad. I know there are a lot of religious people here who are still tolerant, so how do you balance your religious beliefs on homosexuality with your personal ones? Leviticus 18: 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 20: 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. I could find more verses if I wanted, but those are just two of the better ones.
honestly, i cant take my religion seriously when its not in hebrew. hebrew is such a flexible langauge. you could take anything from the book and explain it your way. actually i did it alittle myself. i managed to even explain that adam and eve were created as equals at the same time. espacially in hebrew you can change everything to your likings without actually changing a word in the torah. religion today is just one persons who had power and lived long ago point of view.
the only difference between me and that person is that he was older and had more power. so really, religion is mostly a personal thing. we can believe in the same book and have a whole different belief and point of view.
so if i believe god is forgiving, i cant believe that he should punish someone because he understood the book wrong. again, what we believe in could be completely different from what the book is supposed to tell. the only thing that is the same is the belief that there is a god and the main idea of a story (and even that can change).
so what is there left? this is why i believe that one is judged simply by hurting other people. its why my belief is that simple. and its also why i believe that it doesnt matter what you believe in.
honestly, i cant take my religion seriously when its not in hebrew. hebrew is such a flexible langauge. you could take anything from the book and explain it your way. actually i did it alittle myself. i managed to even explain that adam and eve were created as equals at the same time. espacially in hebrew you can change everything to your likings without actually changing a word in the torah. religion today is just one persons who had power and lived long ago point of view.
If we can make the Bible say what ever we wish it to say it becomes completely useless as any sort of guide or source of information.
so what is there left? this is why i believe that one is judged simply by hurting other people. its why my belief is that simple. and its also why i believe that it doesnt matter what you believe in.
It matters when one's actions are dictated by those beliefs.
If we can make the Bible say what ever we wish it to say it becomes completely useless as any sort of guide or source of information.
Which is why it has pretty much been banned from the public sector. I only use the Torah as a moral guide, and I take almost nothing from it literally.
Three things: One) Most of your questions would be solved if you looked in the Bible under the Liviticus 35 area. Two) Nichodemus, I find your BIBLICAL name quite unffiting for everything in the Bible you've gone against. Three) You, Nichodemus, said earlier that animals of the same gender will sometimes mate when there are difficulties in population or other circumstances. That is incorrect. Animals that mate with there own gender are not really the same gender. In a difficult environment animals will switch genders. The only animals that do that a "unisex" which means they aren't male or female. Or, they are "bisex" which means they can be a male the first day and a female the second. Once this switch has accured the animal usually stays that gender. With the two female birds you were talking about in one of the first few pages, there's a trick to that one too. See, when God created the Earth he was thinking. Those birds can impregnate themselves because of hormones. Humans make both male and female hormones. In the males the male hormone out-weighs the female hormones and vice-versa. These female birds can get themselves pregnant by increasing their male hormones and thus they can fertilize themselves. This also happens with those aquatic shrimp, Sea Monkeys. As you can see, God had a plan for everything.
One) Most of your questions would be solved if you looked in the Bible under the Liviticus 35 area.
*Leviticus And I thought that Leviticus only had 27 chapters? I might be wrong, but the only Leviticus verse I could find with the number 35 was Leviticus 4:35, "And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him."
That is incorrect. Animals that mate with there own gender are not really the same gender.
Please review this. Forgive me, it's a Wikipedia page, but I would like you to look at the references and I would rather not copy them all out here at the moment.
In a difficult environment animals will switch genders. The only animals that do that a "unisex" which means they aren't male or female. Or, they are "bisex" which means they can be a male the first day and a female the second. Once this switch has accured the animal usually stays that gender. With the two female birds you were talking about in one of the first few pages, there's a trick to that one too.
It is true that hermaphroditic animals exist, but there are also homosexual animals.
See, when God created the Earth he was thinking. Those birds can impregnate themselves because of hormones.
Creatures cannot impregnate themselves(if you really want to get technical asexual reproduction could be classified as creating offspring by yourself, but that doesn't fit the subject). There are creatures that can switch genders to whatever is more needed, so if there were two frogs, one could become a male and the other could become a female. There are also simultaneous hermaphrodites, which are creatures which possess both male and female reproductive organs simultaneously. Neither of those are self-impregnating. And as far as I know, no birds possess this quality.
Humans make both male and female hormones. In the males the male hormone out-weighs the female hormones and vice-versa.
That's not always true. In fact, that's exactly what creates homosexuals. Genes, not hormones, are what determine one's gender. But hormones, not genes, are what determine one's sexual preference.
This also happens with those aquatic shrimp, Sea Monkeys.
Brine shrimp do not impregnate themselves. They do ovulate very often(I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of once every 150 hours or something like that) but they do not impregnate themselves.
As you can see, God had a plan for everything.
I'm not going to get into that, as this is not a religious debate. Perhaps another time.
Two) Nichodemus, I find your BIBLICAL name quite unffiting for everything in the Bible you've gone against.
Apologies for the double post, but I forgot this. There are a lot of Biblical names, they're very popular. But a person's name does not reflect on their religious beliefs at all. Besides, he was probably thinking of the character in Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of Nimh or something when he picked that username.
