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nichodemus
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Since this topic hasn't been popping up much, and since the old threads are all so cluttered up, I took the liberty of creating this new one.

So yes, someone asked me for sources about my claims that 1500 species of animals practice homosexual behaviour? Here.


Source 1

Source 2

Now on to one of the sub questions. Is it natural? Well, someone mentioned that it wasn't natural only for humans. Now, why this discrimination? If the Gods of various religions keep throwing and creating people who are homosexual, either a) They're bad factory operators or b) Something is fishy with whatever anti-gay talk religious conservatives swear is sacred.

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Dewi1066
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Unless it is a female who happens to be gay, contracts the virus through some other means, such as contaminated blood, then has artificial insemination.

Or a bi-sexual male and female for that matter.

Strangely though I think the chances of the unborn child contracting the virus is around 25%, so there is a 3 out of 4 chance the child will be born with no signs of the virus. I'd have to look it up, but I'm almost positive it is 25%.

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Its 25% if the mother does not receive treatment, with treatment the percentage can be decreased to around 1%, maximum 2%.

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Well, what i'm about to say may sound a little corny but whatever:
I believe in God, and I believe he made man and woman for them to procreate and love each other, that's why church doesn't like homosexuality, and according to their "rules" or dogma, for lack of a better name, they are right.
God didn't made us to be homosexual, but you know what? We, humans created church, we created religions! at the end of the day, if god exists, he must hate religions. Life gives us different paths to choice, there is no such thing as a good or an evil path, it's just YOUR path, I mean, men and woman were made like they where made with a purpose, but it's just up to you to decide wheter you are homosexual or heterosexual, God loves us all the way we are! I'm NOT homosexual, and i'm not encouraging you to become one, neither i'm supporting them. My opinion is that men belong with women and viceversa, and that's my way of seeing things, but if you have a different point of view, I respect it.
Don't be afraid to be who you are, thanks!

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I don't really care for homosexual

Dewi1066
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I don't really care for homosexual


Well I don't know about anyone else, but that argument right there has changed my mind completely!
loco5
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he's just quick posting on as many threads as he can for the points, they'll hopefully deleted



also i don't even know if there is an argument to be had, i mean why shouldn't they be equal to us and be married?

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why shouldn't they be equal to us and be married?


because of religion mainly.
and because some people hate them whitout a reason.
like they have been told to as a child by their parents to keep them from becoming gay. wich turns out in hate to gay because they don't know beter?

(are people that stupid?? - yes they are)
loco5
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i've never really seen the passage in the bible that said "Thou shalt not do it with one of thou's own gender"

Dewi1066
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also i don't even know if there is an argument to be had, i mean why shouldn't they be equal to us and be married?


It always seems a bizarre debate to me because why is anyone interested in what someone else gets up to in the bedroom department? If a heterosexual couple want to do anything in bed, society don't seem to debate it, but same sex couples, different story.

As the OP points out, homosexuality is not only in the nature of humans, but a large number of animals on the planet.

I can understand debates about gay adoption, more from the angle that a child learns a great deal from a heterosexual couple (if they're a stable and happy couple that is) but then maybe that is my own prejudice about what a family unit should or could be? Many children are brought up by a single parent of either sex and turn out to be rounded and balanced, so why two parents of the same sex couldn't do the same... I think I may have answered myself there.
nichodemus
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God didn't made us to be homosexual, but you know what? We, humans created church, we created religions! at the end of the day, if god exists, he must hate religions.


If you created religion as well that means you created God. Your stance is a little paradoxical.
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If you created religion as well that means you created God. Your stance is a little paradoxical.


Not necessarily. That just means that humans created a set of rituals and prayer to worship God.
nichodemus
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Strictly speaking:

Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.

Which includes the belief of God.

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Well, isn't there a section of buddhism that doesn't believe in a God. (Or becoming a God). I know a buddhist teacher who told me buddhism doesn't have to do with God, but more with the teachings of buddha.

Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.


Why does it have to include the belife of a God. In the case of buddhism, why can't it just be the belife that buddha was enlightned.
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Well, isn't there a section of buddhism that doesn't believe in a God. (Or becoming a God). I know a buddhist teacher who told me buddhism doesn't have to do with God, but more with the teachings of buddha.


Right at the beginning, Buddhism didn't have a God or pantheon of Gods. Buddha stated that he didn't believe in it too. But over years of mixing with local religions, Buddhism has evolved if you so put it, to include deities.

Why does it have to include the belife of a God. In the case of buddhism, why can't it just be the belife that buddha was enlightned.


Because in most major religions, there is a god? Even Buddhism today has quite a number.
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Well I don't Have much of a view on this other then the bible say's it is wrong so yup.

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