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Since this topic hasn't been popping up much, and since the old threads are all so cluttered up, I took the liberty of creating this new one.
So yes, someone asked me for sources about my claims that 1500 species of animals practice homosexual behaviour? Here.
Source 1
Source 2
Now on to one of the sub questions. Is it natural? Well, someone mentioned that it wasn't natural only for humans. Now, why this discrimination? If the Gods of various religions keep throwing and creating people who are homosexual, either a) They're bad factory operators or b) Something is fishy with whatever anti-gay talk religious conservatives swear is sacred.
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I'm not certain that I understand where you're coming from here.
I'm coming from the views of survival -- if everyone is, by the definition of homosexuality romantically or sexually attracted towards that of the same gender (I would imagine this is exclusive to the same gender as it would otherwise be "Bisexual"?), the natural reproduction cycle would be hindered severely at best. Hypothetical, as I said, but still something worth pointing out.
- H
Homosexuality is romantic or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender
I don't see why you're restating the fallacies I found in your arguement. Animals by nature cannot be romantic, just to clearify. They are incapable of complex human emotions, such as compassion, charity (same thing?), Shrewdness, Romance, Hatred, love.... The list is endless.
If how you are stating is true, me and one of my friends are homosexual, because we work together to make money, build things, and fight, elliminate competion in the neighborhood....
Enlightened enough?
Hypothetical, as I said, but still something worth pointing out.
Well count your lucky stars the vast majority isn't. Just also note that that isn't an argument against homosexuality, which is a natural occurrence that has roots in our genes, if anyone cared to read the link I posted just now.
Bisexual
Being bisexual just means you're attracted to both genders.
the natural reproduction cycle would be hindered severely at best
Although this is an interesting idea, and probably hypothetically correct, I doubt the world wants to test your theory.
Just to clear up where I'm coming from....
Have you had sex yet? I doubt so. By your logic, you can't be a heterosexual.
Would it make you happily satisfied if i went to a strip club and shagged a girl?
But I diverge.
Ahem. There's nothing wrong with being homosexual, if you keep it to yourself, or out of sight. In public, it's considerably rude to be such. If you have a wife/husband, and have said affliction, it's between you and her/him how it works. I have the misfortune to say i know where gays stand, but I try to forget about it.
I don't see why you're restating the fallacies I found in your arguement.
Try that one again, because you're otherwise calling homosexuality a fallacy.
Animals by nature cannot be romantic, just to clearify.
I beg to differ...
Romance is the pleasurable feeling of excitement and mystery associated with love.
Love is an emotion of strong affection and personal attachment.
- Wikipedia
You cannot deny the ability of animals in feeling strong affection and / or personal attachment -- take dogs, for example.
They are incapable of complex human emotions, such as compassion, charity (same thing?),
Compassion? If I remember correctly, some primates seem to have developed a more complex moral ground in their own societies.
charity (same thing?)
Charity? Er, like altruism? This can be apparent -- not to mention that raising ones young bares no real benefit only than passing on your genes... how exactly is that beneficial to yourself?
Shrewdness
Elaborate, please.
Romance
See above.
Hatred,
Not sure -- whilst I think that hatred is not an emotion to be honestly cared about, you have animals that have good memory that act upon things. Crows would communicate with others about people at a university wearing a mask as part of the test -- they bore no survival threat, however they were attacked by the crows when seen with the masks on.
Then you always have that dog who is consistently a ***** to you... get it?
love....
See above.
because we work together to make money, build things, and fight, elliminate competion in the neighborhood....
Yeah if you're romantic with eachother, actually.
Congratulations, you may be bisexual.
- H
I don't see why you're restating the fallacies I found in your arguement. Animals by nature cannot be romantic, just to clearify. They are incapable of complex human emotions, such as compassion, charity (same thing?), Shrewdness, Romance, Hatred, love.... The list is endless.
If how you are stating is true, me and one of my friends are homosexual, because we work together to make money, build things, and fight, elliminate competion in the neighborhood....
Did you care to even read up on animal homosexuality? Or even it's definition?
Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in non-human species. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex animals.
Also, Dolphin homosexual activity extends to sex.
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3â"5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females.
Admittedly the word romantic was used out of context, but I was using it to connotate non-sexual but affectionate behaviour.
If how you are stating is true, me and one of my friends are homosexual, because we work together to make money, build things, and fight, elliminate competion in the neighborhood....
Read above evidence and links. Now re-think your statement.
Would it make you happily satisfied if i went to a strip club and shagged a girl?
But I diverge.
I have never condoned any such notion, but am merely pointing out a gaping hole in your logic.
In public, it's considerably rude to be such.
I don't see how hetero couples are allowed PDAing whilst homosexuals aren't. That's blatant discrimination.
Being bisexual just means you're attracted to both genders.
I know
But homosexuality and heterosexuality is EXCLUSIVELY the same gender / different gender, respectively, correct?
Although this is an interesting idea, and probably hypothetically correct, I doubt the world wants to test your theory.
Of course lol
Ahem. There's nothing wrong with being homosexual, if you keep it to yourself, or out of sight. In public, it's considerably rude to be such.
Then it should count for heterosexuals and / or bisexuals. Let's be honest -- the maturity involved for intimate acts like such should be the same for if it were with the same gender, and as such if it should be hidden, for the best reason as children might not understand, then it applies to everyone.
Unless you're talking about the immensely outspoken gay people -- which is annoying to say the least... and unjustified.
If you have a wife/husband, and have said affliction,
... Affliction?
What was said was affection... I think :P
Unless you're referencing homosexuality -- in which case calling it an affliction is quite... silly.
I have the misfortune to say i know where gays stand,
... No, you really don't. Unless you're talking about what a gay person actually is -- someone who has romantic and / or sexual attractions to that of the same gender, then any other insight is not subject to all of them as a whole. It's like generalizing atheists -- where the only thing you can say about them is that they do not have a belief in deities.
- H
I have never condoned any such notion, but am merely pointing out a gaping hole in your logic
A gaping hole in YOUR logic is saying that, then this:
I don't see how hetero couples are allowed PDAing whilst homosexuals aren't. That's blatant discrimination.
I abide by the laws of state, country, and polite society. I challenge you to find me ONCE doing things above stated, publically. I win.
Now....
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3â�"5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females.
I don't see that.
And now humans are being compared to dolphins!
"Well, dolphins do it, so so should I!" xD
One question, off subject, have I ever referred myself to a wiki?
And now humans are being compared to dolphins!
"Well, dolphins do it, so so should I!"
It was an evidence against your supposed statement that homosexuality is unnatural or goes against evolution. Or have you forgotten your original point?
One question, off subject, have I ever referred myself to a wiki?
You haven't even linked to any sources, rendering your arguments rather shaky. Also, I see no reason not to trust wikipedia, especially when said point was backed by a paper if you actually cared to check the link out.
I have never condoned any such notion, but am merely pointing out a gaping hole in your logic
A gaping hole in YOUR logic is saying that, then this:
I don't see how hetero couples are allowed PDAing whilst homosexuals aren't. That's blatant discrimination.
I abide by the laws of state, country, and polite society. I challenge you to find me ONCE doing things above stated, publically. I win.
I have never condoned you doing: (Quote you)
Would it make you happily satisfied if i went to a strip club and shagged a girl?
I abide by the laws of state, country, and polite society. I challenge you to find me ONCE doing things above stated, publically. I win.
How does that even for one minute contribute to an argument about setting different rules for gays and heteros? I have never accused you of breaking a law, so why get so defensive?
Before you state that you have ''won'', go through your arguments, link them to good sources and.....
Oh, don't shove words in our mouths and twist it so that it seems you won an argument when you haven't contributed anything solid. Kthnxbai.
Unless you're talking about what a gay person actually is
Uhm, something like that.....
think being homosexual entails actually engaging in intercourse
Mainly because I have been stalked by one. Any other questions, boy?
Shrewdness
Ability to be dishonest.
Not sure -- whilst I think that hatred is not an emotion to be honestly cared about, you have animals that have good memory that act upon things. Crows would communicate with others about people at a university wearing a mask as part of the test -- they bore no survival threat, however they were attacked by the crows when seen with the masks on.
Then you always have that dog who is consistently a ***** to you... get it?
Emotional hatred, not Pavlov.
Charity? Er, like altruism? This can be apparent -- not to mention that raising ones young bares no real benefit only than passing on your genes... how exactly is that beneficial to yourself
Maybe ya don't like the taste of contraceptives or something irrational like that. *shrugs* it's none of my biz.
I mean, seeing wounded soldier, on the enemy side, and helping him.
the maturity involved for intimate acts like such should be the same for if it were with the same gender, and as such if it should be hidden, for the best reason as children might not understand, then it applies to everyone
Very true. But, don't I recall saying much of the same thing earlier on?
Mainly because I have been stalked by one. Any other questions, boy?
You have been stalked by one which didn't end in intercourse. Furthermore, one incident shouldn't stop you from widening your definition, or it makes you narrowminded.
Now, actually back to the topic. Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon that is widespread throughout the entire animal kingdom; Humans should not be hemmed in by conservatives or social norms that restrict them and portray them as sinful and monsters. Nor should we just grudgingly accept them but tell them to keep it secret whilst letting heteros do whatever they want.
Now, I'm going to sleep, ready to tackle more of my ''fallacies'' in the morning if this isn't locked.
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3â�"5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females.
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.
I see many heterosexual couples kissing and groping each other. That is part of being in love.
That would be considered PDA, public displays of affection. To say that homosexuals should not be allowed to kiss each other in public would be discrimination against sexuality.
Another thing. So the thing about homosexuality being natural won't do. Well, human can't be considered natural beings anyway, so I guess that doesn't apply. We are however social beings, thinking beings and rational beings, and as homosexuality, just like heterosexuality is not a choice, there should at least be a minimum of respect towards an affectionate and loving relationship between two consenting individuals that have fallen in love (which in its own right is a state of madness, no matter what your sexuality is).
Sure, you might not like it, but there are probably people out there that doesn't like to look at porno movies, there are asexual people out there, aromantical people, weird people, boring people...
There are people out there.
They deserve as much respect as you do, even if they are not like that. Why? Because they are your own species.
unnatural or goes against evolution
For one thing, I think evolution is a bit fishy, (pardon the pun), and another, I said it's unnatural for the human race, and serves no purpose. The way I see it, because other species do it for some survival reasons doesn't mean they have the right to do the same, mainly because....
1) Ya ain't animals, no matter WHAT the Bad Touch says.
2) Ya have no legitimate reasons based on the survival of ya species.
3) Ya really shouldn't bandwagon. It's bad form in arguementation.
Kthnxbai.
You leaving or something?
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.
My book is red.
An apple is red.
Therefore both are the same. Is that your logic? Do I even need to point out the daftness in it?
human race, and serves no purpose.
Watching TV serves no purpose but we do it. Playing video games does nothing for our survival. But we do it. Eating junk food harms us but we do it. Need I say more?
You leaving or something?
It's 2am here, read previous post.
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