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LastKingsOrNothing
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What's your opinion on legalizing marijuana?

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dair5
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I think it should be legalized. In fact I wrote an entire research paper on why it should be legalized. (I'd say a short paper considering I'm not in college.)

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I don't see any use for prohibition in the first place. That's not to say there shouldn't be restriction on some drugs, just not an out right ban.
Given where pot ranks in terms of safety to use I don't see why it couldn't be sold in a similar fashion to cigarettes.

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Legalizing it is not a problem for me, since a person should be able to do what he wants to his body, unless it harms or affects others on a large scale. If it's legalized, I'll like to see heavy taxes levied (demerit good taxes), to provide more revenue for the government, which could go towards footing the bill for newer hospitals since the cases of lung cancer look set to increase.

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I'll like to see heavy taxes levied (demerit good taxes), to provide more revenue for the government, which could go towards footing the bill for newer hospitals since the cases of lung cancer look set to increase.


It's not the government who should decide what is and is not good, because this would justify an added tax on "fatty" foods, video games, and boxing gloves.

How can you live in a free country where you have the right to do whatever you want with your own body if the government uses guns to &quotunish" you for actions they don't think are acceptable? If it's wrong to keep marijuana illegal, it's wrong to heavily tax it too. It should be taxed like any other product.

Nobody should EVER have the power to say "I disagree with this person's lifestyle, therefore I feel they should pay more in taxes."

Another problem with taxing drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol on their merit is that it is arguably counter intuitive. Do you know how many people on low income do these drugs? By taxing these drugs, you're only making it harder for these people to save money! You can't talk about how the lower class in society needs a hand in making money, then support a sin tax that only takes it away.

This is an example of government abusing their power by slapping their oversized **** in the faces of their people. I see no difference between the law requiring cigarette companies to place disturbing images on cigarette cartons and sin tax laws, because both are argued to "deter" bad behavior, which I remind you, is not the government's job.
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Nobody should EVER have the power to say "I disagree with this person's lifestyle, therefore I feel they should pay more in taxes."


An increase usage of weed, has a high correlation for a higher chance of getting respiratory disease. That's one of the reasons the govenment taxes, because what one person does to himself should not be paid for by others. One less person sick due to weed, is one more bed saved for someone with a disease with a more natural origin.

Don't think of it as a sin tax then. Think of them as taxing negative externalities.

If it's wrong to keep marijuana illegal, it's wrong to heavily tax it too.


Because A is X then B is X? I see no logical link.

Do you know how many people on low income do these drugs? By taxing these drugs, you're only making it harder for these people to save money! You can't talk about how the lower class in society needs a hand in making money, then support a sin tax that only takes it away.


Yes, but smoking, taking alcohol or taking weed has negative externalities which others choose not to have, but the smoker/drinker chose to impose on others.


because both are argued to "deter" bad behavior, which I remind you, is not the government's job.


From another perspective, it is the government's job to prevent harm to its other citizens.
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An increase usage of weed, has a high correlation for a higher chance of getting respiratory disease. That's one of the reasons the govenment taxes, because what one person does to himself should not be paid for by others. One less person sick due to weed, is one more bed saved for someone with a disease with a more natural origin.


If health care was cheaper, more competitive, and more customizable, this wouldn't be a problem.


Your chances of having respiratory problems are not 100%. What about the people who don't have problems? What about the people who rarely smoke?

Because A is X then B is X? I see no logical link.


Taxing marijuana to "deter" bad behavior is like criminalizing marijuana to "deter" bad behavior.

Yes, but smoking, taking alcohol or taking weed has negative externalities which others choose not to have, but the smoker/drinker chose to impose on others.


Not everyone is irresponsible with drugs, we must remember that we're also punishing people who are responsible as well. We can't treat everyone who does a drug as a person who harms others.

From another perspective, it is the government's job to prevent harm to its other citizens.


I agree that the government should protect individuals from harming each other, but marijuana isn't a real threat. All these protections don't justify a tax except for, arguably, the fact that others have to pay for their medical bills when they get sick. This is, however, something that can be said for any product that is abused or used in the wrong way.
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Your chances of having respiratory problems are not 100%. What about the people who don't have problems? What about the people who rarely smoke?


Precautions have to be taken since Marijuana clearly increases the risk of such problems. By not taking steps to cover such risks or to increase precautions by taxing them to try and prevent smoking or to increase revenue for the health care system, we shoot ourselves in the foot.

What about the people who don't smoke? The vast majority of the population? Do they have to foot the bill for such cases?


Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.

Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke.

More evidence.


Taxing marijuana to "deter" bad behavior is like criminalizing marijuana to "deter" bad behavior.


Taxing isn't criminalising, in that case is driving illegal since you pay road tax? Either way, by legalizing marijuana, it isn't criminalizing it, since it would be a legal activity.

Not everyone is irresponsible with drugs, we must remember that we're also punishing people who are responsible as well. We can't treat everyone who does a drug as a person who harms others.


In that case, then everyone should be able to own guns as well since we can't take precautions for irresponsible people since it hinders the other more responsible folk.

This is, however, something that can be said for any product that is abused or used in the wrong way.


Yes, but the products you have listed, video games, etc, don't kill people on the same scale as this. Everything in excess or abused causes negative effects, so should we ban broccoli too?
nichodemus
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Does broccoli have a negative effect on the population or is it being widely misused?


This is, however, something that can be said for any product that is abused or used in the wrong way.

Does broccoli have a negative effect on the population or is it being widely misused?


Hypothetically if it is consumed in large amounts it will.
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Precautions have to be taken since Marijuana clearly increases the risk of such problems. By not taking steps to cover such risks or to increase precautions by taxing them to try and prevent smoking or to increase revenue for the health care system, we shoot ourselves in the foot.


There are many risks associate with allowing people to live freely. Taxation may be a precaution, but it's an immoral means to an end which should be achieved through cooperation and agreements.

We shouldn't decrease the number of smokers by forcing them to pay taxes or by forcing them not to smoke. We shouldn't force smokers to look at pictures of dead bodies, rotting lungs, and sick infants. We should, as a society separate from the government, encourage people not to smoke through peaceful means. We should focus on education our youth so that they are aware of such dangers. We should focus on making sure our children are satisfied with their lives so they do not feel the need to rebel by picking up horrible habits. We can even use the market to help make people healthier, such as a competitive electronic cigarette market.

Marijuana increases the chances of many problems in the same way video games increases the chances of malnutrition, or fatty foods increase the chances of having a heart attack.

Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.

Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke.


I don't see what the point is? Of course there are risks. This doesn't mean we should tax marijuana to pay for health care when not everyone who smokes marijuana gets cancer. An increased risk isn't the same as absolutely going to happen. Remember, I'm against all sin tax, including those for cigarettes.

Taxing isn't criminalising, in that case is driving illegal since you pay road tax? Either way, by legalizing marijuana, it isn't criminalizing it, since it would be a legal activity.


My point is that people use taxation as an excuse to deter smoking, whereas road taxes are used to pay for repairing the roads. The point is, if you're going to deter something through force, taxation is just a "compromise" between gong to jail, or paying a small fine each time you buy a particular product.

In that case, then everyone should be able to own guns as well since we can't take precautions for irresponsible people since it hinders the other more responsible folk.


Everyone should be able to own a gun unless they have already proven themselves that they can't be trusted. We have a right to bear arms, and the only reason one should be denied this right is if they are seen as a risk for denying other people their right to life, i.e., people who have a history of violence towards others.

The difference between denying a person a gun and taxing marijuana smokers is that the person being denied the gun has already committed their crimes, whereas marijuana smokers are being treated as cancer patients with a bad respiratory system before anything even happens to them.

Yes, but the products you have listed, video games, etc, don't kill people on the same scale as this.


The number of confirmed deaths caused by marijuana?

Zero.

However, this shouldn't matter because fatty foods have also been known to cause death. It's inconsistent.

Everything in excess or abused causes negative effects, so should we ban broccoli too?


No, we should let pot smokers have their broccoli and eat it too.

Well, if they did a good job of reinforcing the tax, and gave a really high tax for it, it would probably reduce the amount of marijuana used... Also licensing growing and selling plants and the drugs to keep more control over it.


There's no reason for the government to control marijuana.
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Taxation may be a precaution, but it's an immoral means to an end which should be achieved through cooperation and agreements.


Morality is a questionable thing, and I fail to see how taxation is ''immoral'', since how does it even touch up morals?

We should, as a society separate from the government, encourage people not to smoke through peaceful means.


That's preferable, but have campaigns worked?


I don't see what the point is? Of course there are risks. This doesn't mean we should tax marijuana to pay for health care when not everyone who smokes marijuana gets cancer. An increased risk isn't the same as absolutely going to happen. Remember, I'm against all sin tax, including those for cigarettes.


A risk is a risk. It has upped the chances of having respiratory problems tremendously as shown by the evidence. If risks are discarded just because they haven't happened and they might not happen to you, then don't wear helmets, don't wear seatbelts, and don't wear gloves when taking a turkey out of an oven since they all have risks, but they haven't and might not happen.

Do we have to wait until something is absolutely going to happen then act as you say? No.


The point is, if you're going to deter something through force, taxation is just a "compromise" between gong to jail, or paying a small fine each time you buy a particular product.


If that compromise is not taken, are you willing to let it be criminalized then, according to your black and white statement?


The number of confirmed deaths caused by marijuana?

Zero.


Nope. Double nope.

Yes, the deaths have not been credibly linked, but it has been proven to cause a whole host of medical problems, which in itself is troublesome.
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ive done this topic twice the last 4 months.

i'm for legalize. but NOT the way most of the americans see it.
ive made myself clear often on the other 2 topics. i have no desire to explain all this again.

so put me in the "against legalize marijuana" box

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btw nich. at your 1st nope link:

they say marijuana is used whit a overdoze.
this is 100% falls. it's imposible to get a overdoze THC

you can smoke to much yes. what happens then is that you have to puke and 2 mins later your not even stoned anymore.

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As far as I know, its not as addictive as other drugs (like heroin etc)
So, by western standards I dont see point in not legalizing it.

nichodemus
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btw nich. at your 1st nope link:

they say marijuana is used whit a overdoze.
this is 100% falls. it's imposible to get a overdoze THC


I checked the first link and couldn't find anything. Might not be the one you were referring to, so kindly point it out.
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Nope. Double nope.


Neither of those has any evidence of death directly related to the use of marijuana.

but it has been proven to cause a whole host of medical problems, which in itself is troublesome.


Which for most of the population would occur only after long term heavy use.
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