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stormwolf722
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Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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loco5
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Mutations are not usually for the worst, please try to at least learn a little about Evolution before trying to debate it

Masterforger
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Usually mutations change for the worse.

You're thinking in terms of The Simpsons. tut tut tut.
Also, land creatures could easily mutate for the sea. Most creatures were once from the sea, but mutated for land. I guess that explains mans lust for the sea...
macfan1
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When was the last time you heard mutations change for the better?

Masterforger
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Uhg, it's like talking to a five-year-old. The mutations we're addressing took place over a large amount of time, such as sea to land creatures, not your silly nuclear-caused Simpsons ones. Leave this place, get concrete evidence instead of what you find on TV, the come back, "macfan1"

loco5
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The lungfishes mutation for lungs for when the rivers dry and it has no water

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When was the last time you heard mutations change for the better?


Pretty much every mutation that is passed on to multiple generations is a good thing.
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Evolution is the most outlandish and redicoulous idea! Just keep asking yourself where everything came from.


We call that abiogenesis, which deals with the origin of life. Evolution is what happened after. As stated, pointed out, sourced, numerous times we have observed evolution occurring in both the lab and in nature.

Organisms and living things are so complex that it couldn't happen by chance.


Good thing no one is saying they did. Mechanisms of evolution such as natural selection are not random.

Really. A land animal changing or mutating into a sea creature? Doesn't make sense. Usually mutations change for the worse.


Wrong, most mutations have no effect. This is also where natural selection can come into play weeding out the harmful mutations while the beneficial ones are allowed to continue on. Beneficial mutations such as the alteration of a species digestion allowing it to consume different food when that new food source is more abundant, just to give one example.
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what beneficial mutations. there is no such thing.

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Wow. We have torn apart his argument. I could shed a tear of pity.
Anyway, MageGrayWolf, how long do you think the mutations of sea-land creatures lasted? I'm guessing about 500 years, but our mutual friend macfan seems to think mutations happened overnight

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Give us some real evidence that creationism is more logical than evolutionism.


I already pointed out how that isn't a good word to use.

Don't treat evolution as just being a belief.
Evolutionism is an archaic inaccurate term, often used to try and make the theory of evolution seem as if it's entirely based on belief with no supporting evidence. Not only does using this term hurt your credibility it also makes you look ignorant of what a scientific theory is and what the process is leading to one. Saying "evolution is just a theory" does this as well. Above all never combine them in the same sentence like this "evolutionism is only a theory" If you do you make yourself look like you belong in the back of the short bus.



what beneficial mutations. there is no such thing.


As I stated only one post up from yours we have seen species develop entirely new means of digesting food allowing it to eat a more abundant food source. This has happened in nylonase and in the Italian wall lizard for just two examples, both f which are also examples of instances where we have observed evolution taking place.
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what beneficial mutations. there is no such thing.


I suppose all the beneficial mutations that led all animals to their current forms don't count?
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@MacFan; I would get out of here if I was you. You are new to this game, and Mage here is a very, very old hand at it. You do not stand a chance. Leave now, with half your dignity intact.

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@masterforger Here's proof. If apes evovled into humans, then there wouldn't be any apes anymore. And also if you ask,

where did humans come from?
apes
where did apes come from?
some other animal.
where did the other animal come from?
tiny moleclules or chemicals.
where did they come from?
i don't know.

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Those molecules developed in the water that was here when Earth was formed by asteroids congregating together. You best take my advice, mac.

MageGrayWolf
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Anyway, MageGrayWolf, how long do you think the mutations of sea-land creatures lasted? I'm guessing about 500 years, but our mutual friend macfan seems to think mutations happened overnight


Not exactly sure what your asking here. Do you mean how long it took for sea life to evolve to be able to live entirely on land once that transition began?
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