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stormwolf722
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Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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Masterforger
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Aye, once sea creatures, i.e dolphins, started swamping themselves on land

loco5
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Oy vey It's a broken record this question has been asked so much In this thread and answered so many times


Also I think that's what he meant magegraywolf

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. If apes evovled into humans, then there wouldn't be any apes anymore


Misconception. Modern apes, like the ones you see, didn't evolve into humans. Modern humans and apes share a common ancestor(s).
MageGrayWolf
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Aye, once sea creatures, i.e dolphins, started swamping themselves on land


Dolphins and other cetaceans went in reverse evolving to live on land than back to the water. They also didn't exist (nor did any mammal) at the time animal life first transitioned onto land.

The oldest known species to live on land was an arthropod known as Pneumodesmus newmani which lived some 428 million years ago. The first arthropods on land one source was saying 510 million years ago and another is saying 450 million years ago. give the two I would go with the 450 mya to be the more likely one to be accurate. So that about 22-82 million years to make the full transition.
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'aight macfan, i just would like to know exactly how you think evolution works. And don't say how in a short, mocking way. Explain it how you seriously understand it.

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I will say EVILution in a short mocking way (i already did). Now i will say seriously how I understand it. So evolution (as i call it "evilution&quot is a false idea about how everything came together. It involves natural selection, mutations. So basically it means that a fox or something evolved into a whale (impossible). Or a seal into a bird. Or something like that.

master565
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You didn't explain anything in that post (ignoring the fact that the first two posts were just mocking it). How do you think natural selection and mutations work. You're last sentence "Or something like that" pretty much shows you don't know how it works.

master565
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I forgot to add, if you need to make fun of the other side of an argument in order to argue, then you're doing it wrong. Oh so completely wrong.

macfan1
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Evolution scientists (not following the definition of science themselves) aren't even sure who some animals evolved from. I will clearly mark this out. EVILUTION IS A THEORY NOT FACT! IT IS NOT EVEN SCIENCE! IT IS NOT SCIENTIFIC! Their scientists are busy arguing about the ancestors of each animal. On the other hand Creation scientists all agree that God made everything. Oh ya. United we stand, divided we fall.

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Someone tell me what everything evolved from.

loco5
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Creation scientists


oxymoron


EVILUTION IS A THEORY NOT FACT


http://sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/gravity-just-a-theory.jpg


all agree that God made everything


just because people agree doesn't make it true, everyone can go about saying pink is orange, but does it make it true?
master565
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Evolution scientists (not following the definition of science themselves)


Really? Because last i checked, science worked off of facts and observations, like the ones behind evolution.

EVILUTION IS A THEORY NOT FACT! IT IS NOT EVEN SCIENCE! IT IS NOT SCIENTIFIC


A theory in science doesn't hold the same definition as a theory in any other sense. In science, unless something can be proven in every possible situation at any place in the universe, scientist will still call it a theory. The theory of relativity is still a theory, and yet nobody can disprove it and anyone can prove it.

On the other hand Creation scientists all agree that God made everything


... There's not such thing as a creationist scientist, that's pretty much an oxymoron.

Lastly, you still never explained how you think natural selection and mutations work, perhaps because you don't know?
macfan1
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So you have wind ok. How do you know it is there. You can't see it. huh?

loco5
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Where are all the transitional fossils (a.k.a. missing links)? Well here are some examples. While not all direct ancestors they do help to represent the evolutionary step to the next form.

invertebrate-vertebrate
1. Pikaia gracilens (get a back bone man...)
2. Conodont
3. Haikouichthys
4. Arandaspis prionotolepis (it's a fish)

fish-amphibian
5. Osteolepis
6. Eusthenopteron
7. Panderichthys
8. Tiktaalik
9. Ventastega
10. Elginerpeton
11. Acanthostega
12. Ichthyostega
13. Hynerpeton
14. Tulerpeton (a reptiliomorpha, reptilian like amphibian. Considered one of the first true tetrapods)
15. Pederpes
16. Eryops (semi-aquatic amphibian)

amphibian-reptile
17. Proterogyrinus
18. Limnoscelis
19. Tseajaia
20. Solenodonsaurus
21. Hylonomus (early reptile)
22. Paleothyris

dinosaur evolution
23. Chasmatosaurus
24. Dromomeron
25. Marasuchus
26. Eoraptor

reptile-mammal
27. Protoclepsydrops (Begins the change from reptiles to mammals.)
28. Clepsydrops
29. Dimetrodon
30. Procynosuchus
31. Thrinaxodon (mammal like reptile)
32. Morganucodon (early mammals)
33. Yanoconodon

dinosaur-bird
34. Pedopenna
35. Anchiornis
36. Archaeopteryx
37. Confuciusornis
38. Eoalulavis
39. Sinornis
40. Vorona
41. Ichthyornis

And now we have modern day birds

42. Protungulatum (first herbivorous placental mammal)

land mammal-whales
43. Mesonychid
44. Pakicetus
45. Ambulocetus
46. Dalanistes
47. Rodhocetus
48. Takracetus
49. Gaviocetus
50. Dorudon
51. Basilosaurus

Thar be Whales!

horse evolution
52. Hyracotherium
53. Orohippus
54. Mesohippus
55. Miohippus
56. Parahippus
57. Merychippus
58. Pliohippus
59. Dinohippus

Horses...

human/primeape evolution
60. Darwinius
61. Apidium
62. Aegyptopithecus
63. Proconsul
64. Pierolapithecus
65. Ardipithecus
66. Australopithecus afarensis
67. Australopithecus africanus
68. Homo habilis
69. Homo erectus
70. Homo heidelbergensis

Homo sapiens (us!)

Considering the difficulty in getting a fossil to form in the first place. What we have found in the fossil record is like looking for a needle in a hay stack, and finding an almost complete sewing kit.



here are all the missing links for your reference, thanks to MageGraywolf
Masterforger
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(Davy Jones Laugh) You are the stupidest little boy ever. I take it you're Christian? YOUR GOD IS NOT THE CREATOR OF ALL Your kind belittle other religions, you hate science, yet you take advantage of the modern world, many things in which you abolish! Not to mention, you have stuffed every one of your commandments, especially 'Thou Shalt Not Kill" You did just that during your wonderful crusades! Where, should memory serve me, you tried to take over another country in the name of your deity!
You have no right to abolish evolution, as it makes more sense than "creationism"

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