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Moe
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/kim-jong-il-obit/index.html

It seems that Kim Jong Il has died, most likely leaving his son Kim Jong Un in charge of North Korea.

As this is a forum for discussion I was thinking we could talk about how this might effect the world and the foreign relations between North Korea and other countries.

I'm not really sure what to say about the topic, as I know little about Kim Jong Un or even if he really is in charge now. I would guess this could cause some problems, but as for the scope I couldn't say.

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The American GDP is 15 Trillion, and the military budget is roughly 700 billion. Let us not forget that some of those 700 billion goes towards paying America's allies such as Pakistan. A war doesn't stimulate an economy totally, it destroys lives, material, and sucks up resources that can be spent on other goods such as capital goods. Oh, and money going to the military doesn't necessarily does so because there is a war. Most countries maintain militarise which gobble up large parts of the budget in peace time. Wars are not an integral part of an economy, they might create new jobs, but one must also weigh it with the costs of maintaining the war, not just in terms of money.


See the problem is that we have been at war for the better part of the last 70 years. We spend roughly 5 times more on our military than even the next highest spending country, we can't maintain that level of spending without a war to justify it. And we can't just cut that spending over night, we have to do it slowly over time so the soldiers can rejoin the regular workforce. But that won't happen because our government lacks the ability to make long term plans for anything.

That might or might not be an advantage. His survival doesn't depend so much on the people who are in dire poverty now, as much as the ruling party and the Army. It's also not so much the propaganda, but the leadership experience which Jong Un lacks as compared to his father, who did have much more experience and time to hone his political skills.


I'll agree that he doesn't have the skills his father did, but I would bet there is a good amount of propaganda making him look good. And I would think that in order to keep the peace the military leaders would want to keep Jong Un in power at least as a figurehead.
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This reminds me of how in Homefront, Kim Jong-il died on January 2, 2012

yea lol. If, N-K becomes one with S-K, and becomes the one Great Korea. Then things will be strange. Great Korea may look good, but what if this whole idea is actually wrong? Anybody thought of that?

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yea lol. If, N-K becomes one with S-K, and becomes the one Great Korea. Then things will be strange. Great Korea may look good, but what if this whole idea is actually wrong?


It'll be worse than the German integration, imagine joining two nations that share the same culture, yet are aeons apart in terms of economy and technology. Nightmare.
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It'll be worse than the German integration, imagine joining two nations that share the same culture, yet are aeons apart in terms of economy and technology. Nightmare.

Maybe it will be good for N-K but bad for S-K. Is this what you mean?

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Maybe it will be good for N-K but bad for S-K. Is this what you mean?


Yep. It might also be bad for the North Korean government in power, because a power sharing deal has to be hashed out, which is like climbing Mt. Baekdu.
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Not to mention the culture might be similar, or the same, but the people certainly aren't, there will be a patriotic element in both countries that strive to keep them apart, either through political maneuvering, and grass roots movements, or outright terrorism.

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culture might be similar


They might share the same culture overall, but I think they won't match up entirely, since there's a strong element of Juche instilled in the Northerners, whilst the Southerners are more and more materialistic and technologically forward looking.
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there will be a patriotic element in both countries that strive to keep them apart, either through political maneuvering, and grass roots movements, or outright terrorism.


since when is protecting your own country called terrorism? =S
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since when is protecting your own country called terrorism? =S


When it involves using your commandos to infiltrate the border and slip near the Blue House in an attempt to assassinate the South Korean leader. Oh wait, the raid already occurred :S.
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The Vietcong were protecting their own country but they were still terrorists, terrorism may have a negative connotation, but the technical definition is "using terror as a means of coercion."

As for what Nicho referenced, not only is that terrorism, it's also tantamount to an invasion.

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When it involves using your commandos to infiltrate the border and slip near the Blue House in an attempt to assassinate the South Korean leader. Oh wait, the raid already occurred :S.


i call that a action to provok war.
not terrorism.
tbh i'm realy getting sick of people calling evrything terrorism since 9/11.
why is evrything called terrorism now? it's nothing new realy.
befor 9/11 we all would have called this senario the beginning of war. not terrorist action.
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tbh i'm realy getting sick of people calling evrything terrorism since 9/11.
why is evrything called terrorism now? it's nothing new realy.
befor 9/11 we all would have called this senario the beginning of war. not terrorist action.


The phrase just got trendy like the hashtags on Twitter. Think of it that way. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war.

BlueRaid #Terrorism

Essentially it still means the same, terror as a means of coercion, even if we challenge the grammatical intricacies of the event.
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The Vietcong were protecting their own country but they were still terrorists


back then they were called soldiers or guerrilla.
ETA = guerrilla, IRA = guerrilla, freedom fighters in congo = guerrilla.

but today we all call them terrorists =/
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IRA = guerrilla,


I'm pretty sure the IRA were all along classified as terrorists, later on after the Irish War of Independence, as well as guerillas.
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I hope Kim Jong Un will show to be more human than his not missed father, but reality is that NK is in a terrible shape, with people starving but with one of the biggest armies in the world. I'm afraid that in a shortwhile the old trick of "showing muscles for food and money" will start again.

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