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DSM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=ias_c1

I want to hear your opinions about this. So far in the original video, there is only supportive people about this. After my opinion this is inhuman.

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thepunisher93
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so if it isn't over then what are the allies gonna do next?

take a piss whit 100 mand over 300 dead body's?

just to show they can insult dead people. (like those dead guy's care they are being insulted. it's not like they knew it.)

it is war danmit.
get over these small things. it means nothing it's all just a blown up story.

ikr. You can blow a guy into tiny pieces with a JDAM strike, because that's not insulting at all. As long as the missile wasn't urine-soaked, it's fine.

If one of your comrades is humiliated like this, i will ask your opinion then.
goumas13
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If one of your comrades is humiliated like this, i will ask your opinion then.

You are all hot and bothered because the deceased Talibans were one of your comrades?
DSM
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The only thing that makes a taliban different from an ordinary afghan is their ideology. when they are dead, they are no longer talibans, but afghans. thats why when you disrespect the corpse, then you disrespecting the afghans.

thepunisher93
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You are all hot and bothered because the deceased Talibans were one of your comrades?

no im not afghan
but i know afghan people's mentality a bit.
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Why doesn't the US military just piss on the soldiers who pissed on the dead corpses? Pissing on a live human is more shameful than pissing on a corpse. Everyone's happy that way. Problem solved.

partydevil
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If one of your comrades is humiliated like this, i will ask your opinion then.


i know what it is like and i know it doesn't matter ****.

don't cry about everything that happens in war. IT IS WAR!!!

get the point >>>>> WAR!! <<<<<

who tha **** gives a **** about taking a piss over a dead body when you are in war?
no1 does. only the people that are not in war and only look at the war from the side line are crying about these little useless things.
and because those people are crying so loud about it the enemy retaliets.


you want to know what realy is humiliating people in war? take the german soldiers. they cut open a baby and rip out all the inside infront of the baby's parents.
now that is humiliating. not taking a piss over a dead body.

so can we please get over this BS?
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So tell me, how does war justify these acts? War, or violence more specifically, is the ultimate form of control -- that is the point, to assert that control. It has a point -- and whilst I think that war can be very well avoided in a more ideal world, I see the need for it to protect a country and / or others, as diplomacy / logic / reasoning does not work for everyone.

That does not send the message that the humiliation that IS there, without question, is justified. It being a by-product is also not a valid excuse, that does not mean to say we set the buckle down and choke out anyone who has done these atrocious acts with a vengeance, but there are standards that should be followed, and more so protected.

There would be no point in fighting for a tenant of belief if you betray that in order to achieve victory. It shows a lack of integrity. Whilst I cannot question the trauma that soldiers have been through trying to sustain our culture, possibly destroying themselves along the way, I cannot support the acceptance of such acts either.

Using a comparison is not a valid thing to do either. Things should be thought of in absolutes or at least as much as possible. Urinating on a corpse is an act of humiliation, there is no doubt. You can reference pikes on heads, killing ones child as he / she bares witness, or even being captured (Asian military dishonor) as a more severe act but that does not mean a blind eye shall be turned against the less self-degrading acts.
That is my primary point of this. The act itself is self-degradation of ones faction, and individual capacity. Expression can be demonstrated in many ways, trauma takes many forms, but the strength to resist or ignore ones troubled thoughts, acknowledging that compromise indicates a truly strong warrior.

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So tell me, how does war justify these acts?


The military trains men to become killers. The whole urination thing just doesn't really stack up to the fact these men are killing the enemy. I can see your point at how urinating on the bodies doesn't give the men any advantage in the war, but it really doesn't give the men any real disadvantage in the war either. It's a distasteful act, but we need to keep in mind that these soldiers killed these people. Murder is sort of a bigger deal than urinating on the dead bodies.

Anyone who is willing to kill another human being shouldn't be expected to respect their enemies after killing them. If you believe it was right for the soldiers to kill these people, then keep in mind that these men KILLED these people, and the urination incident just isn't a big deal compared to the actual act of murder.

To me, this is like complaining that the mafia cut someone into chunks before throwing them in the river. Yes, it's a horrible way to treat the body, but the fact the mafia killed someone is sort of the bigger deal here, not how the body was treated.
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If one of your comrades is humiliated like this, i will ask your opinion then.


Two things:

1. In a war, soldiers don't care about the feelings of their enemies. If they insult their enemy in some way, then really, who cares?
2. Although I would be mad if one of my fallen comrades were urinated on, I'd be even more pissed off that my comrade was DEAD.

You can't support a war and protect your enemies feelings at the same time. Yes, urinating on the bodies of your enemy will offend them, but so will shooting them dead! If we really cared about everyone's feelings, then nobody would be killing each other in the first place.

You can blow a guy into tiny pieces with a JDAM strike, because that's not insulting at all. As long as the missile wasn't urine-soaked, it's fine.


LOL So true.
DSM
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In a war, soldiers don't care about the feelings of their enemies. If they insult their enemy in some way, then really, who cares?


the problem is, it not only the enemy you insulting, but also your allies. You insulting the afghan national army, the one you work with.
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The whole urination thing just doesn't really stack up to the fact these men are killing the enemy.

Killing the enemy. Also generally known, or should be known as, eliminating the threat.
It has practical gain, sometimes it is the only truly viable option. The intentional humiliation or disgusting negligence after that is nothing short of a degradation of your faction.

I can see your point at how urinating on the bodies doesn't give the men any advantage in the war, but it really doesn't give the men any real disadvantage in the war either.

A "because they can" attitude towards the situation... not really beneficial to anyone.

It's a distasteful act, but we need to keep in mind that these soldiers killed these people. Murder is sort of a bigger deal than urinating on the dead bodies.

They are trained to become killers, but they do not perceive it as killing another human being. It is doing what has to be done.

Anyone who is willing to kill another human being shouldn't be expected to respect their enemies after killing them.

It is an effort to disrespect. There is a difference.

Also, the reasons for killing another human being is something that should be brought up.
There is no practical gain from that form of humiliation.

but the fact the mafia killed someone is sort of the bigger deal here, not how the body was treated.

People hear about murders all the time. The thing about the news is that it needs something unique, otherwise, what is the big deal? No, I'm not saying that's right. What I'm saying is that there appears to be NO recognition to the fact that any of this was unnecessary, whereas direct comparisons between a murder and that behavior seem to be the thing shed light on.

2. Although I would be mad if one of my fallen comrades were urinated on, I'd be even more pissed off that my comrade was DEAD.

Yes, but you can at least empathize to the smallest degree that maybe the guy killed purely in self-defense. The urination shows an utter disregard for any form of actual message and only goes to desecrate his / her corpse and name.

You can't support a war and protect your enemies feelings at the same time.

Again, it's not just about the enemy. Please go through my entire argument.

Yes, urinating on the bodies of your enemy will offend them, but so will shooting them dead! If we really cared about everyone's feelings, then nobody would be killing each other in the first place.

Your only point is that of comparison. You've basically ignored my entire argument of treating the situation in absolutes and more so the point that it's not just a disrespect to the enemy.

Beyond that of the Afghan National Army, it's a disrespect to yourself.

- H
thepunisher93
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who tha **** gives a **** about taking a piss over a dead body when you are in war?
no1 does. only the people that are not in war and only look at the war from the side line are crying about these little useless things.
and because those people are crying so loud about it the enemy retaliets.

you want to know what realy is humiliating people in war? take the german soldiers. they cut open a baby and rip out all the inside infront of the baby's parents.
now that is humiliating. not taking a piss over a dead body.

so can we please get over this BS?

actually every one does
espacially there comrades
partydevil
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actually every one does
espacially there comrades



pfffffff fine. do it your way. kill people because they pissed on your friends.
but not because they killed them nooooooo only because they pissed on them.

aka. ignorand BS
thepunisher93
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pfffffff fine. do it your way. kill people because they pissed on your friends.
but not because they killed them nooooooo only because they pissed on them.

aka. ignorand BS

u ain't gettin my point
they are already angry but peeing on their comrades angers them more
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It is more or less an incitement, it is the effort to defile a corpse. Not to eliminate a threat, in self-defense or as a perceived necessity.

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