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deathbewithyou
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I'm sure you people here other people cuss everyday, and i'm sure you've probably done some as well. One day when I was playing basketball with other teens they prey much said all kinds of words: "Come on man shoot that **** shoot that ****!" "He ain't gonna **** that ****!" "yeah baby! That's what i'm ***** talking about" "You ****!"

Every single sentence has vulgar. Doe's no one have common sense? Cussing is not a way of life. I'm sick of hearing stuff like that! The world is not a vulgar land.

What do you people think? Should the world be full of swearing? Or should we just have some common sense and stop with the cussing?
Really people, I'm sick of vulgar.

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Kasic
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Amazing that after nearly 100 posts on this thread no one who thinks vulgarity is bad has yet to give a reason why other than, "Your parents say it's bad." or "Your parents say you shouldn't do it." or "It's wrong."

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How is giving a kid a spanking bad? Didn't your Dad give you a spnking when you did something wrong? Well I suppose not since you said it's bad.


Nope I was taught why what I did was wrong instead of just receiving an unthinking punishment. In this way I learned valid reasons why something shouldn't be done.

With the example of vulgar language I was taught what those words mean and that many people take offense to hearing them and could upset someone.

Amazing that after nearly 100 posts on this thread no one who thinks vulgarity is bad has yet to give a reason why other than, "Your parents say it's bad." or "Your parents say you shouldn't do it." or "It's wrong."


Considering the mind set I'm not that amazed.
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I grew up in a land where swearing was in almost every sentence. It's quite easy to not even notice how much I swear sometimes, because the words just pour out of my mouth.

I don't really see swearing as all that bad, it's bad because we were taught it was bad. It's kind of like, if 10 or 20 people told you you look sick, while you actually aren't sick, one of the first things you'll do is see a doctor. Or a psychiatrist, whichever works for you.

Or, if you'd like, you buy a new hat. The shopkeeper tells you you look good with it on, but then 20 of your friends say you look horrible with it on. You're going to think that you look bad with it on, no matter how you actually look with it on

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I don't really see swearing as all that bad, it's bad because we were taught it was bad. It's kind of like, if 10 or 20 people told you you look sick, while you actually aren't sick, one of the first things you'll do is see a doctor. Or a psychiatrist, whichever works for you.


I agree with that.

I dont even notice that I swear all the time at school, home, under my breath, even in my dreams when Im sleeping. I dont know why swearing should be vulgar, I mean, if its meant to be offensive to other people, that might be bad, but i mean, I hear it all the time, everyone swears, even little children. One time I heard some primary school guy saying the f word, thats how common swearing is.
deathbewithyou
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Okay let's see. Now originaly these cuss words were just words until someone decided to use them as insults. Mostly, these words are now being used to bad mout people and things. Now ocasionaly I hear some people really bad mouthing a person because of what he does or how he looks or where he's from. So this is a reason why I don't like the cussing.

Now, some people are trying to use cuss words to compliment a person, which backfires a lot:
Your son of a *****

Yeah sometimes this is used for good intentions, but the person just ends up getting punched in the face.
Here is something one person said to me:

"You piece of *****."

.... "what did you call me?!"

"oh, it was a compliment."

I will never understand how that could possibly be a compliment.

Now on to the bad words. Sometimes people will realy use the meaning of these words. Mostly this comes from those british people, cause I don't usualy hear it from someone else. Unfortunatly when they use it in America they are scolded even if they use the meaning. Well sometimes I use some of these words like when I am talking about hell and the ****ed. See I am using it not as a cuss word and not to insult people, I use these words during bible study. So here is what I have to say,
"Stop using these words as cuss words. They used to not be but now they are."

Kasic
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Now, some people are trying to use cuss words to compliment a person, which backfires a lot:


No it doesn't. Because accompanying body language/tone of voice tell someone when they're complimenting them vs pissed at them.
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It's called banter, and it works well very much -- "You lucky son of a *****" being one of the most well commonly used ones, but others aren't bad as people are just expressing something in an elaborate manner that does not rely solely on their words used -- although curse words to put emphasis on it and I'm not necessarily against vulgarity in that sense (as long as it's not done in excess).

I would say vulgar language is more or less like eating, playing games and etc -- you can't do it too much. The limits for some people would be much more than others but I think there are some clear boundaries set and when you hear profane language in each sentence of a certain person -- depending on the situation it's quite clear they've either got a speech problem or a serious problem.

I wouldn't consider bad language that serious, however. Why would it be? I mean, nouns that are curse words I would think are quite out-there but for the most part it's just society's views on the subject that make it appear so bad (hence why I don't swear infront of parents of strangers), especially when done by younger people and especially adolescents, it seems.

Although, I do think as a teenager that a lot of people my age do swear in excess and have a genuinely bad attitude, this seems more or less a problem based on a problem -- so try and take out the source, because swearing would not necessarily be a problem then.
That problem would be their attitudes and perceptions, by the way. Attitudes to others is often very aggressive and they perceive anything that is contrary to their beliefs as intentional, insolent defiance.

And no, I'm not generalizing -- I'm speaking about the same group of people I am classed with, but not all of them. This is primarily based on my experience and that of others'.

Haven't I already done something like this? Perhaps not focused so much on the teenage side of things but still carrying the same basic tone -- swearing is not to be done in excess and quite frankly isn't much of a big deal as a result. The lack of swearing by my father shows discipline and whenever he does curse (which is not in his everyday vocabulary) the point gets across that much better.

Of course, I'd rather people need not to see emotion in people in order to be more impacted by them, which kind of raises cause to whether cursing is needed in the first place as a result -- being as you can find much more accurate words to elaborate with, it really only shows emotion (which shouldn't be necessary in a debating atmosphere).

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Okay let's see. Now originaly these cuss words were just words until someone decided to use them as insults.


Language, unlike religion, is dynamic and ever changing.

Now ocasionaly I hear some people really bad mouthing a person because of what he does or how he looks or where he's from. So this is a reason why I don't like the cussing.


Shouldn't you hate on the person and his discriminatory mindset, and not the words he employs? Words are just words, without the intentions.

Yeah sometimes this is used for good intentions, but the person just ends up getting punched in the face.
Here is something one person said to me:


No it doesn't backfire. People use it generally for those they are extremely familiar with. Do you see random people complimenting utter strangers via vulgarities? No. I don't know where you come from, but vulgarities aren't exactly used the way you describe them.

I will never understand how that could possibly be a compliment.


Only affectionate, and open minded friends use them amongst themselves.

Sometimes people will realy use the meaning of these words. Mostly this comes from those british people, cause I don't usualy hear it from someone else.


Really? You want to go into generalizations and stereotypes without even an example? I mean, do people really mean that the person they're insulting fornicates with their mum when they call them motherf***ers? No, don't be daft.

See I am using it not as a cuss word and not to insult people, I use these words during bible study. So here is what I have to say,
"Stop using these words as cuss words. They used to not be but now they are."


Time to introduce to you the concept of words having more than one meaning.
deathbewithyou
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No it doesn't backfire. People use it generally for those they are extremely familiar with.

So calling a person an S word (worthless) as a compliment doesn't backfire? I would rather not be called the best piece of (worthless) in the team or the best piece of (worthless)at using weapons. I find that weird. So complimenting a person by calling him (worthless) can backfire. "he's the best (worthless) person in the world."
Kasic
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So calling a person an S word (worthless)


And this is where your entire argument faceplants.

They do not mean **** as in worthless. That's not the meaning they are giving it.

I find that weird.


Too bad you alone don't dictate popular meanings of words or other's perceived intent.
nichodemus
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Does someone mean you're illegitimate when they call you a lucky *******? No.

Just as you mentioned that vulgarities have different meanings, vulgarities van also be taken to reflect affection. So as Kasic has said, you get hung up when somehow you allow double meanings when you argue against them, but don't allow so when we use vulgarities for something other than insulting. Double standards much?

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I've used vulgarity as long as I can remember, and really it's just to a point where nobody frowns upon it other than teachers (who oftentimes don't care at all), and the vulgarities in life are just used for emphasis. At least around here and in my life, nobody outright takes offense and I often don't see the point when people do. They're just words, they don't harm people. The people they do harm need to toughen up and quit being idiots, so it doesn't matter much.

When using them against people, it's not even the words themselves so much as the intentions behind them. If I tell somebody to "go **** themselves," it's not that I'm using the word "****," it's that I'm meaning the phrase as a sign of utmost disrespect, as nine times out of ten, I'm not using the word in an offensive manner. Hell, I can say that to a friend while we're messing around and we all laugh.

The words themselves mean absolutely nothing.

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i cuss all the time they are just words but allot of people take it way to far (black people) they say nig.ger after every other word its annoying and if i say it one time they get all pissed off just because im white they call us racist they are the racist ones its funny when mexicans say the n word it makes no sense that mexicans can say ****** when there not black blacks can say it because they are but whites cant but all races can call whites whatever they want stupid racist ******s

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i cuss all the time they are just words but allot of people take it way to far (black people) they say nig.ger after every other word its annoying and if i say it one time they get all pissed off just because im white they call us racist they are the racist ones its funny when mexicans say the n word it makes no sense that mexicans can say ****** when there not black blacks can say it because they are but whites cant but all races can call whites whatever they want stupid racist ******s


I've often wondered about that myself.
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i cuss all the time they are just words but allot of people take it way to far (black people) they say nig.ger after every other word its annoying and if i say it one time they get all pissed off just because im white they call us racist they are the racist ones its funny when mexicans say the n word it makes no sense that mexicans can say ****** when there not black blacks can say it because they are but whites cant but all races can call whites whatever they want stupid racist ******s


Ah, double standards...you've gotta love them.

as it has been said earlier, offensiveness of vulgarity is relative to the individual, but we shouldn't force others to change just because their habbits offend us.

-Blade
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