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deathbewithyou
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I decided to bring up this topic because I found it interesting and I couldn't find any good topics. Some men and women want people to provide them money for their contraceptions so they can have sex again and again and again. I was like "wow! why should we have to pay you to have sex?"
So what do you think?

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Freakenstein
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So are we talking prostitution or buying contraceptives for protection from pregnancies? I won't comment about the former, but contraceptives should obviously be distributed, whether you pay for it or whether it's free in public institutions like hospitals, planned parenthood facilities, or what not. If you're wanting to have sex with someone and you're either not willing to have a child or are homosexual, you should use a contraceptive beforehand to reduce these risks of pregnancy and the spread of STDs. It's not &quotaying you to have sex", seeing as how people can go ahead unprotected, it's providing the contraceptives so you can be protected when it comes.

zakyman
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was like "wow! why should we have to pay you to have sex?"
So what do you think?


First of all, I would like you to stop being a Rush Limbaugh.

Second, I think that we should provide contraceptives for free, and in fact not just provide them, but actually pay people to use them! We are currently at the point where the population couldn't sustain much more of a strain, so if we started paying people to either use contraceptives or just not have sex, we would be able to get this issue under more control.
deathbewithyou
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Okay first of all when we are paying for the contraceptives they go ahead and have sex again. So it's sorta like we're paying them to have sex. This is what I mean. Let me give you an example, "Since I can be funded for contraceptives i'm gonna have sex again."
That sound more clear to you?

Freakenstein
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This whole thread/OP's argument is revolving around a non-sequitur fallacy. "Customers thinking about having sex: Customers are buying them from my store: they are paying me so they can have sex". It's completely illogical.

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Okay first of all when we are paying for the contraceptives they go ahead and have sex again.


People don't have sex because they get contraceptives, they get contraceptives because they are going to have sex either way, and it's less risky with contraceptives.

You could compare it to going abroad, people get vaccinations before they go abroad, because they planned to go abroad and want to be safe. They don't decide to go abroad because they got the vaccinations and don't want them to be wasted.
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You seem to be implying that people have sex because they get contraceptives when, I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, people get contraceptives because they're going to have sex. The reason for the provision of contraceptives is to prevent the spread of STDs and pregnancy because people are going to have sex with one another regardless but if they can do it more safely for free then people (being people) won't turn that down.

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providing the contraceptives so you can be protected when it comes.


Which makes people feel like there's no chance of anything happening, so they keep repeating their actions. This is the same attitude that makes teenagers think they are invincible, and that usually ends up with them in jail or splattered across the road after a drunken 80-mph crash.

free in public institutions like hospitals, planned parenthood facilities, or what not


actually pay people to use them!


All of which are funded by the government. People complain (rightly so) about the economy being firmly lodged in the septic tank, but they want the government, which controls/destroys most of the economy through taxes, regulations and so forth, to pay them for using contraceptives or put out money to fund them in public "health" institutions. Where's the money going to come from? Taxes? Keep raising taxes to pay for garbage like this, and pretty soon nobody will have any money for the government to tax away.

the population couldn't sustain much more of a strain


First of all, that is exaggerated. Second, if that's the case, why take the chance of adding to the population? Contraceptives are not even close to being 100% effective. So, what now? Abortion? That's saying that it's okay to kill a living organism in its earliest stages. And if it's okay to kill something early in life, why not at any other time? Wouldn't that make murder legal, or even encouraged?

paying people to either use contraceptives or just not have sex


First part: See above.
Second part: Paying people to just not have sex? There's already something like that. It's called (wait for it) ABSTINENCE! Proven to be 100% effective in preventing human pregnancy, and at least 99% effective in preventing the spread of STDs (allowing 1% failure for accidental exposure via medical treatment). And it's FREE. The people and the government wouldn't even have to pay for it, especially if it was taught from an early age like it used to.

risks of pregnancy


RISK of pregnancy?! "Risk" denotes a negative effect. Since when is pregnancy a risk? The last time I checked, that was how humans and all animal species reproduce and propagate, thereby avoiding extinction. If reproduction and the avoidance of extinction is such a bad thing, why is there such a mad scramble of activity and media attention when some critter in a zoo gives birth? From all that, you'd almost think that something good had happened.
So why is human pregnancy suddenly such a liability? Is it because people don't want to accept the consequences of their actions? Is it because people today are scared crapless of commitment? Or is it because people have become their own pathogen? People constantly engage in self-destructive actions, like random sexual relations, with no regard to the fact that they are weakening the species as a whole by spreading disease, weakening genetic immunities, and inbreeding. And then to finish, they throw away and destroy their own future, a.k.a. children, either by aborting them or by imparting to them a gene structure that has been compromised by disease and randomly mixed genomes.

This particular topic is just one element in a whole long series of problems caused by the general decline of human morality. The heedless, and yes, Godless, actions of people today are jeopardizing the future of humankind. If we as a species are to continue, there must be a return to the morals that we once adhered to, which in this case, would be:
1. Abstain from sexual relations until after marriage.
1.1 Marriage is defined as one man and one woman in a Holy union.
2. Once married, remain faithful to your spouse.
3. If you have children, teach them the above points.


On a similar note, I also think that all sex offenders should be fully castrated. But that's another thread.
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Which makes people feel like there's no chance of anything happening,


Maybe for some. For the majority though, this wouldn't be the case.

ABSTINENCE! Proven to be 100% effective in preventing human pregnancy, and at least 99% effective in preventing the spread of STDs (allowing 1% failure for accidental exposure via medical treatment).


Also proven to be 99% ineffective at preventing sex for the large, large, large part of the population. People have sex. That's what we do. That's why we're still a species. All enforcing abstinence does and not providing other forms of contraception does is increase the likely-hood that when someone has sex they'll get an STD/pregnant.

Abstinence doesn't work.

"Risk" denotes a negative effect. Since when is pregnancy a risk?


Since when you might not want a child.

If reproduction and the avoidance of extinction is such a bad thing, why is there such a mad scramble of activity and media attention when some critter in a zoo gives birth?


Red Herring.

1. Abstain from sexual relations until after marriage.


As I already said, this doesn't work a large part of the time.

1.1 Marriage is defined as one man and one woman in a Holy union.


And what about homosexuals? They can still get STDs, should they be forever abstinent according to you? Wait, probably, since you're most likely going to say it's a sin and shouldn't be done anyways.

On a similar note, I also think that all sex offenders should be fully castrated


I agree, depending on the severity/occurrences.

Really, most of your post was saying two things.

1) People have sex to have kids.

2) People who don't have sex to have kids are irresponsible.

People can want to have sex and also not want to have kids. Why should they not be allowed to?

Now, I don't think that the government should provide free ones/pay people to use them, but I do think they should be encouraged to be used.
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Which makes people feel like there's no chance of anything happening, so they keep repeating their actions. This is the same attitude that makes teenagers think they are invincible, and that usually ends up with them in jail or splattered across the road after a drunken 80-mph crash.

It has already been pointed out several times here that people will have sex no matter what. Providing contraceptives 'only' solves a lot of trouble.

Second, if that's the case, why take the chance of adding to the population? Contraceptives are not even close to being 100% effective.

Again, see above. Respectively below.

Second part: Paying people to just not have sex? There's already something like that. It's called (wait for it) ABSTINENCE! Proven to be 100% effective in preventing human pregnancy, and at least 99% effective in preventing the spread of STDs (allowing 1% failure for accidental exposure via medical treatment). And it's FREE. The people and the government wouldn't even have to pay for it, especially if it was taught from an early age like it used to.

With the only problem that you will never get people to be abstinent all the time. Never. Even if you'd be willing to pay them.

RISK of pregnancy?! "Risk" denotes a negative effect. Since when is pregnancy a risk?

- It can kill the mother and/or the newborn if no adequate treatment is available (remember that human females have a huge mortality rate at birth compared to other animals)
- It can ruin a whole family's life if it comes unprepared/if the family can't support another child.
- It can break a family apart if the parents are sick dumba**es and don't support their daughter when she needs help.
-...
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1. Abstain from sexual relations until after marriage.


*ahem* Wait for it.... No. If I want to engage in sexual relations before I get married, I will. I don't believe in marriage to begin with, so where does that leave me? In your eyes, would that mean I must be asexual throughout my life?

If a person and their partner so choose to willingly engage in a healthy human activity, then that is their choice.

As for the initial question: Why does it matter to you? Why should the government, and indeed the public at large, care about their fellow citizen's sexual tendencies and relations? Here's a tip: They shouldn't. If people want contraceptives, fine; if they want a cheap *****, that's fine too. The government should have nothing to do with it.
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Oh, I wanted to add something before leaving..

If we as a species are to continue, there must be a return to the morals that we once adhered to, which in this case, would be:
1. Abstain from sexual relations until after marriage.
1.1 Marriage is defined as one man and one woman in a Holy union.
2. Once married, remain faithful to your spouse.
3. If you have children, teach them the above points.

You need to think out of the box. This set of morals has been widespread earlier, true, but it's only one of hundreds of different sets of morals, all of which are doing fine, including those who don't see sex as mere procreating device.

Just think of those hundreds of indigenous tribes. They're doing very well, they're not exactly at the industrial stage but what does that matter as long as they survive easily? And they certainly don't share your morals.
Note: I'm not saying they are amoral.

Last but not least.. before you get the wrong impression: I wasn't saying that pregnancy is bad. It isn't. But it is a serious matter with certain risks. As are many things in life.
zakyman
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RISK of pregnancy?! "Risk" denotes a negative effect. Since when is pregnancy a risk? The last time I checked, that was how humans and all animal species reproduce and propagate, thereby avoiding extinction.


Yes, because with a huge population, we humans are SO close to extinction that if people stopped having kids for an entire year, we would all FREAKING DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or rather not, because, like I said, we have a big-*** population, and if 2 million people just dropped dead suddenly, it would be a big deal, but not a crippling blow to humanity.

So why is human pregnancy suddenly such a liability? Is it because people don't want to accept the consequences of their actions? Is it because people today are scared crapless of commitment? Or is it because people have become their own pathogen?


Because it can kill the mother, put financial strain on a family, and break up a family. Also, and this might be a tad off topic, what should be done with rapee-babies? Should they be forced to be kept?

People constantly engage in self-destructive actions, like random sexual relations, with no regard to the fact that they are weakening the species as a whole by spreading disease, weakening genetic immunities, and inbreeding.


Why do I feel that you just looked up a ton of sexual terms, and threw them together in a sentence? How is recreational sex equivalent to incest? You make no sense whatsoever in this sentence.

The heedless, and yes, Godless, actions of people today are jeopardizing the future of humankind.


AHHHHHHH!!!!! PEOPLEZ ARE USING CONDOMS SO WE'S ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Cause that's sorta what you sound like...

1. Abstain from sexual relations until after marriage.
1.1 Marriage is defined as one man and one woman in a Holy union.
2. Once married, remain faithful to your spouse.
3. If you have children, teach them the above points.


1) If I want to have sex with my girlfriend, I'll have sex.
1.1) If you want to have sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend, they can have sex. I don't give a ****.
2) Sorta agree here.
3) Sure, for point 2.
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1. Abstain from sexual relations until after marriage.
1.1 Marriage is defined as one man and one woman in a Holy union.
2. Once married, remain faithful to your spouse.
3. If you have children, teach them the above points.


*Inserts trollolololol + any usual homophobic comments here*

Well, in Ireland, contraception is free. You just go to your doctors if your a woman and want an implant or the pill, or you to the sex clinic for condoms and safe sex advice.

Personally i think it's a brilliant system. Just because faith teaches not to have sex before marriage doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Not only do they provide contraception, the morning after pill and pregnancy tests - the agreement upon getting such items requires pretty much a 'lesson' in safe sex, an information session on everything and anything sex related.

I can see the down side with the hand outs of morning after pill as someone people see this as a green light to sleep around and have something free to fall back on, but the education around the whole thing is brilliant and government funded. They even [Just to flip my hair at the man and woman union bs] provide information/contraception openly to homosexuals [both male and female] which is always a bonus.

+ Just to add in, i always find it difficult when i hear/read people paying for medicine, it's something that grates on me because we don't pay for any prescriptions or medicals here :/. Until a few years ago it was under 18s, senior citizens and people on benefits who got it free, but they scrapped medical fees altogether - basic human right.
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@deathbewithyou-I have to ask, di you hear what happened to limbaugh after he said the exact same things? don't think I need to explain why.

first off, contraception in the form of the pill isn't just used to prevent pregnancy, it also can be used as a medical treatment for women who are suffering, and the only way to solve it is to bloody take a pill. isn't that medicine is for, to help people?

religious people can't seem to see that the earth is having trouble sustaining our population that is ever growing every second. look at india and their pollution of the ganges river, and that will show you why 7 billion people on earth is a bad thing. sometimes it's better to give the option of prevention, instead of letting humans breed like rabbits. if anything, we should be making people get licences to have children, which will involve people proving that they are responsible and can provide for a family. if they cannot get the license, then the fetus they make should be aborted (if you think about it, that is actually a good idea).

rant aside, if a woman is getting contraception, that doesn't mean she is a ****, it might mean she has a medical issue, and it can only be treated with birth control. we should not only allow her to get it, but encourage it because if we do, then it prevents children from being born into a situation that would only hurt them.

-Blade

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rant aside, if a woman is getting contraception, that doesn't mean she is a ****, it might mean she has a medical issue, and it can only be treated with birth control. we should not only allow her to get it, but encourage it because if we do, then it prevents children from being born into a situation that would only hurt them.


Bladerunner; i would personally like to thank you for thinking about women.

Yes, contraception in the form of the pill not only helps avoid pregnancy but it also regulates and [is supposed to] reduce blood flow and pain during period. *Watches most of the boys squirm*

Personally i think denying any woman who wants the pill for this reason is disgusting. + this is why it should always be free and readily available.
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