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toemas
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I think homosexuality is totally wrong and unnatural, what do you think?

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Zophia
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Ooh, a link fail. I haven't done a link fail in ages. :c

Here's a fixed link.

theEPICgameKING
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Oh boy. Let me use Logic to prove that Homosexuality is not natural.
1: The purpose of any living being, self-aware or not, is to reproduce so as to continue its existance.
2: living beings can produce sexually or asexually. To maintain relevancy, let's stick with the sexual kind.
3: For sexually-reproducing living beings, a male gamete, or sex cell (sperm) must combine with a female gamete (egg) to produce a zygote, which eventually grows into another living being of the same species through pregnancy.
4: Because of 3, reproduction is only possible when a man and a woman do the nasty.
5: When two women or two men do the nasty, there is 0% chance of either of them becoming pregnant.
6: Therefore, homosexuality cannot lead to pregnancy.
7: Therefore, without pregnancy, homosexuals cannot reproduce.
8: THEREFORE, without reproduction, homosexuals are not following the primary instinct of any living being.
9: Any living being not following primary instinct is unnatural.
10: Therefore, homosexuals are unnatural.

My argument is, in my eyes, Valid, Sound, and Convincing. I challenge you to disprove any of my statements. If you cannot, well then!
I have proved that homosexuality is unnatural. I never said anything about it being wrong. Boom headshot.

Kasic
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Oh boy. Let me use Logic to prove that Homosexuality is not natural.


1) There are different definitions and usages of the word "natural" that can be applied.

-Natural in occurrence.
-Natural in the 'that's how it's supposed to be' sense.
-Natural as in the original state of something.
etc.

2) Even if you want to call it not natural, that doesn't have anything to do with it being "right" or "wrong."

8: THEREFORE, without reproduction, homosexuals are not following the primary instinct of any living being.


What you had said up to this point was mostly okay. A few parts could be picked at but I'm not going to bother.

Homosexuals can still follow what you're calling the &quotrimary instinct" to reproduce. They aren't infertile. They just aren't engaging in it. Also, there are other &quotrimary instincts" such as raising a child, providing food, protection of the group, etc, which they perform.

My argument is, in my eyes, Valid, Sound, and Convincing


Capitalizing your assertions doesn't make them any better you know

I have proved that homosexuality is unnatural.


Sort of. You've proven that, compared to a heterosexual, homosexuality is unnatural. Which really is kind of a duh thing. Also, I can take apart your claim at this first part here...

1: The purpose of any living being, self-aware or not, is to reproduce so as to continue its existance.


This statement is incorrect. The purpose of any species is to reproduce and continue its existence. There are numerous examples of individuals in a species which do not reproduce for the good of the whole.

Boom, headshot.

A simple counter example is the definition of natural, which is basically anything that doesn't occur because of artificial means. Homosexuality is present in over a thousand species and doesn't have any adverse effects on. They are fully biologically capable of everything a heterosexual is, and thus you cannot consider it to be a disease. Thus, it is "natural" from that point of view.
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1: The purpose of any living being, self-aware or not, is to reproduce so as to continue its existance.


Your argument is not sound for at least two reasons:

1. You fail to provide a definition for "natural."
2. The quoted statement is an assumption, not an axiom. You would need to create an argument to prove that statement first before using it in the overall argument.
tegan190
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For sexually-reproducing living beings, a male gamete, or sex cell (sperm) must combine with a female gamete (egg) to produce a zygote, which eventually grows into another living being of the same species through pregnancy.


Homosexuality isn't about creating a child, it's about being with the person you love who is of the same sex. That's like saying that someones straight marriage is unnatural because they don't choose to have kids. I know you think that it's not "natural" but natural doesn't mean something that has to occur in nature.
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If you are homosexual, who cares? As long as they don't hurt anyone and they keep the population down, it doesn't matter.
Also,
Gay men will marry your girlfriends

It doesn't have much to do with the massive war going on, but it makes sense.

partydevil
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9: Any living being not following primary instinct is unnatural.


lol, so i'm not natural because i dont want a child?
hahaha xD
HahiHa
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What I notice is that frequently, those people ranting about how unnatural homosexuality is, tend to be those kind of people saying humans are the crown of creation and above nature. Shouldn't homosexuals be a symbol for how humans are not bound to their primal instincts and can love a person even if no own child ensues?

Though of course such a symbol wouldn't work out, as 1) it is natural, many other animals have homosexual relationships and it is not necessarily in "vain", and 2) those kind of people think relationships are there to have sex for procreation and nothing more (lol).

GifNgga
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There is no wrong or right.
It simply is.

Do what makes you happy.

Aoibheann
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As wrong and unnatural as everything else.

chickenshot
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There is nothing wrong with it but it goes wrong when you do things that wasn't supposed to be like hurting each other and so on.

GhostOfHorror
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but it goes wrong when you do things that wasn't supposed to be like hurting each other and so on.


That is a completely different topic and it's still wrong if it's a man and a woman.
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As wrong and unnatural as everything else.


So...wait...are you saying homosexuality is wrong...or right (because it is equal to "everything else&quot?
Axelya
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I think it's fine, but I am biased as a homosexual female. In general, I think it's becoming more accepted. Much like racism. Racism has weakened considerably, though it's still very much an issue. In the 50s in some places it was illegal for a black person to marry a white person. Using that as an example, I feel that within maybe a decade homosexuality will be a lot more accepted than it already is. Though with how much stigma is created purely from religious sectors, that may not be the case.

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1: The purpose of any living being, self-aware or not, is to reproduce so as to continue its existance.


Trol. So I guess we as a species on the whole are increasingly becoming unnatural. Because the trends we observe in contemporary times is that ever more straight people refuse to have progeny. Get off your high horse.
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