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Schmiddy1234
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RIP Trayvon Martin, dead and gone

And i think Zimmerman should receive some prison time, for attacking an innocent teen/ young adult.

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Schmiddy1234
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BTW, that dead and gone song version, is uncensored and dirty. I like that one cuz the radio edit is crap. So yeah and Dead and gone is one fo my favorite songs (top 50)

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I think laws that exist in America (like allowed to carry a firearm, kill someone out of self protection...) are partly to blame for this. In most other countries you wouldn't even have a trial plus on the news it said that Zimmerman called the cops and they told him to stop following him but he continued to follow him. If he was a threat then its the cops jobs to take care of him.

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Right to self defence should never be endangered.
What he did was stupid and paranoid but this does not justify gun control or any other thing like that.

EnterOrion
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Good riddance, Trayvon. Beating the **** out of an armed man was a bad idea, wasn't it?

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Schmiddy1234
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There was already a thread on this.


i didn't know that :P and it's name is not what i would have expected so yeah.. :O
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Zimmerman is not to solely blame for Trayvon's Death. It had nothing to do with racism, or anything like that. This comes down to gun laws.

EnterOrion
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This comes down to gun laws.


Correct. Gun laws gave Zimmerman the right to not be brutally murdered. Hurray for self-defense! I wish I could throw a party in his honor. He executed the most fundamental right given to us as not just Americans, but as the human race. The right to kill to save our lives and well-being is a fundamental one, and he exercised it flawlessly.

Now, can the ATF PLEASE remove these restrictions on automatic weapons? Overkill is the best killing there is. When one must defend, defend with overwhelming and disproportionate violence.
314d1
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Zimmerman is not to solely blame for Trayvon's Death. It had nothing to do with racism, or anything like that. This comes down to gun laws.


...With gun laws? Trayvon's death was caused by...Gun laws?

If Zimmerman's account is correct, then it was about a man who wanted to defend his little neighborhood getting attacked by a young man, forcing him to fight in self-defense, shooting him. If his account is not correct, then it is about a paranoid man shooting an unarmed man. What do gun laws have to do with anything?
psychoraven
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What do gun laws have to do with anything?

If that law didn't exist it would make Zimmermans case a lot simpler cause he couldn't say it was out of self-defense.
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...With gun laws? Trayvon's death was caused by...Gun laws?


Right to bear arms, and the stand your ground law in Florida.
314d1
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If that law didn't exist it would make Zimmermans case a lot simpler cause he couldn't say it was out of self-defense.


And how is that a good thing?

People should have a right to defend themselves if they are attacked. If he was, in fact, attacked, then no crime was committed and it would be hard to say that there was a crime committed. Unless you would have preferred he let Martin kill him?

And if he was the aggressor, then our laws will convict him anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
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And how is that a good thing?


Some people see it as a clear cut case of aggression and unwarranted vigilante justice. The operator did tell him to stay clear and just scoot off.
314d1
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Some people see it as a clear cut case of aggression and unwarranted vigilante justice. The operator did tell him to stay clear and just scoot off.


How "Some people see it" is completely irrelevant to justice. If laws where just "How some people see it" then Martin Luther King would have been shot, Obama would be kicked out of presidency for being an illegal immigrant, and I will probably be hanged for blasphemy. Public opinion doesn't mean anything in justice. Hasn't anyone ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?

The operator did tell him to stay clear and just scoot off.


The operator suggested that he let the police handle it (Which was logical). He didn't. The police didn't consider it against the law to not listen to them. It is not a crime to be a moron. In fact, the exact words where "I am fallowing him" then the police said "We don't need you to do that". It was not an order, like "No. Go hide in your room" it was "Well that is nice, but we got it handled".
nichodemus
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How "Some people see it" is completely irrelevant to justice. If laws where just "How some people see it" then Martin Luther King would have been shot, Obama would be kicked out of presidency for being an illegal immigrant, and I will probably be hanged for blasphemy. Public opinion doesn't mean anything in justice. Hasn't anyone ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?


I didn't say it mattered with the law. I merely stated objectively how others felt, and explained why they felt it was better and simpler without that law in place hypothetically. Good grief, read before just being belligerent.

The operator suggested that he let the police handle it (Which was logical). He didn't. The police didn't consider it against the law to not listen to them. It is not a crime to be a moron. In fact, the exact words where "I am fallowing him" then the police said "We don't need you to do that". It was not an order, like "No. Go hide in your room" it was "Well that is nice, but we got it handled".


''We don't need you to do that'' is as good as saying we don't require your services, in other more blunt words, stop. I never said it was a crime, I'm again, merely stating that people view it as Zimmerman's fault because he was told to not follow Trayvon in not-so-ambiguous terms. If he hadn't acted as a self appointed crime fighter, the whole scuffle would not ensue, seeing that Trayvon was already running away.
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