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Freon
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im just opening this topic so that people can have a NICE, FREINDLY place to talk about their beliefs, i Myself believe in evolutionism

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MageGrayWolf
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You know, I let that go the first time cause I didn't want to embarrass you, and maybe someone never explained these things to you. But, they call it "making babies", not "making mutations". Just so you know, reproduction doesn't involve making DNA mutations, it just involves mixing DNA that's already there.


You really have no room to try and sound high and mighty.

I will admit I might not have been very clear in my attempt to over simplify, which did lead to error in terms.

We are not identical clones of our parents what I was talking about is genetic variation between parent and offspring, which most defiantly does occur in sexual reproduction and is a big part of natural selection. When a cell divides it creates a copy of it's DNA, sometimes this copy is imperfect aka a mutation. If this happens in a reproductive cell that mutation will be passed on to the offspring. This can happen during meiosis which results in the formation of gametes. A gametes of course is the cell that fuses with another cell during fertilization. Mutations can also happen through external forces as well which I won't get into here.

So what I should have said was every time a cell divides we have a chance for mutation.

On your "don't believe in random chance" argument here's something from ZJ.
(throws 1,000 pennies at yielee)

But since you seem to have fallen back into this rut of just trying to shoot down one theory while not providing anything for another.

What evidence do you have for creation? Okay this seem to be to hard of a question to answer so let's narrow the question.

One of the more popular things that I hear is "the fossil record doesn't support evolution". So here's your question. How does the creation of all species at around the same time result in us seeing less complex organisms in lower strata and more complex as we move up through the layers and not just a huge jumble of organism through out all the strata?

But maybe something a bit closer to topic.

"Three species of wildflowers called goatsbeards were introduced to the United States from Europe shortly after the turn of the century. Within a few decades their populations expanded and began to encounter one another in the American West. Whenever mixed populations occurred, the specied interbred (hybridizing) producing sterile hybrid offspring. Suddenly, in the late forties two new species of goatsbeard appeared near Pullman, Washington. Although the new species were similar in appearance to the hybrids, they produced fertile offspring. The evolutionary process had created a separate species that could reproduce but not mate with the goatsbeard plants from which it had evolved."


Using creation explain how this occurred?
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One of the more popular things that I hear is "the fossil record doesn't support evolution". So here's your question. How does the creation of all species at around the same time result in us seeing less complex organisms in lower strata and more complex as we move up through the layers and not just a huge jumble of organism through out all the strata?


I saw a video on this!

Found it!

Be warned, you will want to take a knife and slam it into your own face... or the face of others. This is a perfectly normal feeling to have after watching this video. Just don't stab anything, unless you know the guy who made the video. You can stab him if you would like.

Luckily, someone else already pointed out the flaws in this video.
Quicksmasher
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So... what do you believe in?


Well, its so sad anyone on earth thinks to know that he has to believe in the change of the world is happening through... politicians. I believe in my own power to change in my environmental somethin into beautiful. As a result, many people compare me sadly with Hitler, his way to get as powerful as politicians was not different.
Avorne
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What have politics and Evolution Vs Creationism got in common? If you don't mind me asking.

CruelAce
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I believe in creation by God.
All the theories of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. How does that all happen by chance? The theories don't add up.

Quicksmasher
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What have politics and Evolution Vs Creationism got in common? If you don't mind me asking.


More than enough dude, who changes the whole thingy? =>

I believe in creation by God.
All the theories of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc. How does that all happen by chance? The theories don't add up.


=> This?
Quicksmasher
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I mean, both, evolutionism and creationism, are may in the beginnings like the cerebral tumour of the humanity destroying social life, but also, its as unstoppable and uncurable and becomes worse with each second...

Ar u afraid? :3

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I mean, both, evolutionism and creationism, are may in the beginnings like the cerebral tumour of the humanity destroying social life, but also, its as unstoppable and uncurable and becomes worse with each second...


Does anyone else not know what he's talking about, or am I the only one?
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Does anyone else not know what he's talking about, or am I the only one?


I think maybe that the debate is causing a social polarization between American creationists and American evolutionists that is completely unnecessary and has hundreds of negative ramifications.

Maybe. And if it's not what he's trying to say then I'll go ahead and say it.
Avorne
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Of course if we just tucked the debate away instead of having it out in the open then nothing would change. I think it'll get worse before it gets better.

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Interestingly, thought it's not quite as serious as in the US, in Britain, there have been a few cases where parents (especially Catholic) have been trying to stop evolution being taught in certain schools.
However, the general feeling is in favor of evolution: We are taught it in Biology, and there are so many agnostics and atheists on the school roll, it's likely to stay that way.
Our R.E teacher is a devout Christian, and often rails about how the Bible is the only true source of knowledge, albeit covered in a veil of 'everyone has a viewpoint (but ours is the best)'. However, noone listens to him ever since he said that homosexual people should go to hell, so that's cool.

Quicksmasher
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I think maybe that the debate is causing a social polarization between American creationists and American evolutionists that is completely unnecessary and has hundreds of negative ramifications.


This, punto. How many black people die with each post in this fred? Ty, ally.
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(the American evolutionists are the black people)


Well that's a little racist
samy
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Yea quicksmasher let's avoid spam mk?

But to avoid spam myself the point, avorne, is not that it should be hidden but that that the debate is very violent.

Avorne
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And if we don't keep an eye on it, it would rage out of control. It has to be kept in the public eye where everyone can have their say. But I predict, before a conclusion is reached - the debate will be worse before it gets better. My phrasing was a tad wrong and confusing.

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