This article states that Shkil Afridi, the man who helped CIA in locating Osama Bin Ladin Has been imprisoned for 30 years on charges of treason. I think he deserves it for co-operating with CIA without consent from Pak govrn and it will help deter other people like him. What are your thoughts?
I understand that the Pakistani government is pretty set up because of the American operation.
The only problem is that it makes the government look like as if it would retrospectively 'rotect' Bin Laden, at least it will to the eyes of many Americans.
But as long as the sentence is for treason (which it was in some way) and not in any relation to who was killed, I can... understand, although not support, it.
How is cooperating with a government on your same side treason? I could understand if for some reason Pakistan liked Osoma (Which you don't, right?), but they where supposed to be looking for him to. It would be like Canadian mounties coming to my state (They have international jurisdiction, don't they?) and asking me if I have seen an evil Canadian who has escaped to America and is going to harm a good amount of the populace of Canada, and me giving them information to his capture, which isn't really treason. I forgot the point of the whole last paragraph while writing it, so it may sound disjointed.
I understand that the Pakistani government is pretty set up because of the American operation.
Why so? I didn't look into it much myself.
The only problem is that it makes the government look like as if it would retrospectively 'rotect' Bin Laden, at least it will to the eyes of many Americans.
...That is the only problem you have? Not that they arrested someone who had assisted in the take down of an international terrorist, hopefully allowing the Middle East to get back to normal and stomping terrorism to some degree, for giving that information?
But as long as the sentence is for treason (which it was in some way) and not in any relation to who was killed, I can... understand, although not support, it.
It comes under treason and espionage as he was acting as a spy for CIA without informing his own govenment. The proper way of making agent was that CIA had to tell ISI that they want this guy as a spy, which they did not so, he was an unsanctioned spy.
But if time did not allow him that luxury, like say Osama was only going to be there a short time, then why not tell the CIA asap? I am just saying that there might be reasons why he did not tell his government. I do not know for sure, but it could have been because he might be "sent to sleep" if one of Osamas informants knew that he knew, or Osama might have gotton away. Better to sacrifice than to let the worlds most wanted criminal escape.
Because essentially, an American special unit entered their territory, murdered someone, and left; without informing the government. A few decades ago and between other countries, this would have meant war.
But it's not what they did, it's how they did it, at least that's how I understood it. Though I suspect them to not have informed Pakistan on purpose in order to not compromise the operation/have the best chances (like they didn't inform the press of Obama's 'blitz-visit' lately).
But if time did not allow him that luxury, like say Osama was only going to be there a short time, then why not tell the CIA asap? I am just saying that there might be reasons why he did not tell his government. I do not know for sure, but it could have been because he might be "sent to sleep" if one of Osamas informants knew that he knew, or Osama might have gotton away. Better to sacrifice than to let the worlds most wanted criminal escape.
I don't think he was a spy in the classic sense. The CIA simply asked him, as the local doctor, to retrieve DNA to confirm the target. I didn't read anything about any previous cooperation between him and the CIA, though if there were, they wouldn't tell I guess..
Why did they reveal any of this anyway? They certainly knew what was going to hit him..
How is cooperating with a government on your same side treason? I could understand if for some reason Pakistan liked Osoma (Which you don't, right?), but they where supposed to be looking for him to. It would be like Canadian mounties coming to my state (They have international jurisdiction, don't they?) and asking me if I have seen an evil Canadian who has escaped to America and is going to harm a good amount of the populace of Canada, and me giving them information to his capture, which isn't really treason. I forgot the point of the whole last paragraph while writing it, so it may sound disjointed.
Because even if so called ''allies'' are on your side, every nation wants to have a semblance of authority within their own nation, and not let foreigners converting their own citizens to spies. It is a realist world after all. Furthermore, it's not like Pakistan and America have a wholly cordial relationship; no nation will ever like to wake up one morning and find its country riddled with spies, much less Pakistan, a nation with near pariah status on the global stage. Given Pakistan's geographic location, next to its nemesis which it sees as getting more and more backing from the US, juxtaposed with touchy historic and territorial issues, has turned Pakistan into a country with a siege mentality, one which distrusts much of the West.
Furthermore, the American have in the past arrested spies of ''allies'' on the same side. Incidentally, those two cases were planned US defections and spying for Israel, one of the most trusted and friendly ally the US has. What does this demonstrate? The common sense no-brainer, that no matter how friendly your relationship is, you'd want some control over your own sovereignty and citizens.
How is it treason, exactly?
Passing on state and national information to foreigners is universally condemned, and considered a crime.
...That is the only problem you have? Not that they arrested someone who had assisted in the take down of an international terrorist, hopefully allowing the Middle East to get back to normal and stomping terrorism to some degree, for giving that information?
Please do not wet yourself in joy. The main threats to Pakistan and the rest of the ME have long not come from al-Qaeda, but more local based terrorist organizations, and nationalist movements in the Levant region. Long before Osama was taken out, the movement has been weakened muchly. Al-Qaeda membership has dropped drastically in the past few years.
Pakistan is not and never will be a friendly nation to the US. But if they imprisoned him for helping us, we should send elite troops and rescue him. We can't let pakistan do that.
which is not the case. The charge is treason, not interaction with the US.
, we should send elite troops and rescue him.
You don't seem to realize it all started with an US special operation. As Kasic said, another one would have severe consequences.
- I'm honestly not happy with this whole affair, and I don't understand something.. how did the doctors role in this matter become public? I remember reading that the CIA congratulated him for his help or something. Isn't it completely irresponsible from the CIA or whoever revealed that, seeing how they offended Pakistan with that operation?
First, the operation itself will definitely not help cooperation between the two countries. Second, no matter the reason, revealing the poor guy's role is condemning him.
Pakistan is not and never will be a friendly nation to the US
This goes both ways
But if they imprisoned him for helping us, we should send elite troops and rescue him. We can't let pakistan do that.
Guys at pentagon can't even think of it, not even in there LSD induced dreams. Because a) Pakistan was not ready for first time as we thought u were our friends. b) If this happens, your soldiers will have to say goodbye to their diapers(and other supplies) which go through us, as any hope of reopening of NATO supply will be vanished.
But if they imprisoned him for helping us, we should send elite troops and rescue him.
a typical american playing boss of the world again.
First, the operation itself will definitely not help cooperation between the two countries. Second, no matter the reason, revealing the poor guy's role is condemning him.
a) Pakistan was not ready for first time as we thought u were our friends. b) If this happens, your soldiers will have to say goodbye to their diapers(and other supplies) which go through us, as any hope of reopening of NATO supply will be vanished.
Second, no matter the reason, revealing the poor guy's role is condemning him.
I aggree that it was rather bad taste, but I don't think anyone could have forseen where it all ended up. You don't exactly give a guy the thumbs up and expect his government to arrest him.
not even in there LSD induced dreams
LSD was the CIA buddy. Pentagon and the CIA aren't the same.
b) If this happens, your soldiers will have to say goodbye to their diapers(and other supplies) which go through us, as any hope of reopening of NATO supply will be vanished.
Harsh much? Pakistan isn't the only place America runs supplies through. Pakistan closing its borders would just be a little bump in the road; America has got bases inside Afghanistan, is allies with several other countries in the region, and can always just resupply via ships in the Indian Ocean. It might through a small wrench in the machine, but it won't stop anything. And it certainly won't be the Achilles Heel you seem to be making it.
; America has got bases inside Afghanistan, is allies with several other countries in the region, and can always just resupply via ships in the Indian Ocean.
Afghanistan is land locked and nearest of its naibours with sea (other than Pak) is your BFF Iran and taking supplies from any other route will cost more than double of now and will be more unsafe.
