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Posted Nov 21, '12 at 6:34pm

thepunisher93

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my mother dreamed that someone she knew had got run over by a train.
She told us that morning when she woke up the dream she had, that night he had died after running out in front of a drain while he was drunk.

Speaking of mothers, when ever an elder relative of mine watches someone getting married in a dream, the other person dies with in next 24 hours, weird.
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 12:44am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,711 posts

Ghosts would actually be quite a sting in the side of the church


I actually feel it would benefit them. They could then use an argument along the lines of "we know ghosts are real...and, knowing this..how come we don't see any ghosts of "cavemen" or our evolutionary ancestors?"

okay guys this is it WHO ****ING CARES JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE OKAY PLEASE


Hi...welcome to the WEPR section..we like to debate/discuss
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 2:48am

EmperorPalpatine

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The pridiction of future.
Many times it has happenned to me that something have happenned which I had envisioned some time earlier.

I get that quite often. It annoys me.

It's called a deja vu. I highly, highly, highly doubt you remembered all that clearly what your dream looked like 6 months past.

Occasionally, I've written down rather specific details or mentioned them to others before events happened. Once, I dreamed that a friend of mine would walk up with an envelope while I was seated in the commons. I vaguely remembered that the ensuing conversation had something to do with his paycheck, as it was, quite frankly, boring. Months later (January of this year), he walks up. I say "Don't tell me... this has something to do with your paycheck." The letter was from his boss (he was doing an internship for a construction company) and his last paycheck was doubled as a holiday gift. So, yes, I remembered.

I actually feel it would benefit them. They could then use an argument along the lines of "we know ghosts are real...and, knowing this..how come we don't see any ghosts of "cavemen" or our evolutionary ancestors?"

Nah, "It's demons/Satan trying to trick you!"
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 6:02am

partydevil

partydevil

5,119 posts

Nobody lives in the house at the minute because it flooded last winter.

go back and check if you still see/hear/feel it.

What would be the point of that?

i dunno.
maybe you want to see how many and/or how easly people are fooled whit a story like that.
maybe you once were fooled by a story yourself and then made up your own to feel better.
maybe your father used the mirror reflection trick to fool you all.

i dunno.
I 'll give you an example.

i once said to a girl i liked that i had dreamed about her (what i didn't i just wanted her attention) and told her that i saw her sitting alone in the middle of a field waiting for someone. (i didn't dream it or saw it in any other way. i just made it up on the spot.)
but 3 weeks latter she told me that my "dream" was true.
her bike broke down and had to wait for help hours alone in a field.

i think it was just coincident i could't know what exactly would happen. but she went through the fields every day to go to school in the city.
so the chance that she once would get stuck on her way was pretty big.

i dunno the moral of the story. but i think it's something along the lines of. predictions can happen but you can't know when, what and where it happens. it's just a big guess.

It's called a deja vu.

going on this. did any ever had the same deja vu twice whitin 1 hour?
i once had that, it is really wierd. xD

but then i went to explore it and it turns out that it is impossible.
as a deja vu is not something you remember from befor but that it is information that your brain accidentally stores into the long term memory instead of the short term. making your brain think that you have been in the situation befor.
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 10:24am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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as a deja vu is not something you remember from befor but that it is information that your brain accidentally stores into the long term memory instead of the short term. making your brain think that you have been in the situation befor.

Perhaps that's true for some, but then how did I retell events before they happened?
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 10:29am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

Perhaps that's true for some, but then how did I retell events before they happened?

Depends on the event.. on one side, it could very well be superficially be accurate, but really just easily interpretable in different ways. On the other side, it could be that the event involves enough familiar components so that you had a high chance to unconsciously describe an event very probable to happen sometime.
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 11:57am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

Occasionally, I've written down rather specific details or mentioned them to others before events happened. Once,


Something like this happening from time to time isn't all that surprising. I would expect given the number of dreams we have and if we wait long enough, we will eventually get a few that will match up with something that eventually does happen.

Perhaps that's true for some, but then how did I retell events before they happened?


Same way partydevil was able to was able to come up with events that actually happened on the spot. The only difference is you got the made up story in a dream.
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 1:32pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,734 posts

I vaguely remembered that the ensuing conversation had something to do with his paycheck, as it was, quite frankly, boring


Okay, seriously? A friend talking to you about his paycheck is, again, something almost inevitable. They also come in envelopes... AND you were waiting for such a thing.
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 2:25pm

GhostOfHorror

GhostOfHorror

900 posts

go back and check if you still see/hear/feel it.


I'm not going to break into a flooded house in the middle of an estate.

you want to see how many and/or how easly people are fooled whit a story like that.


"fooled?"
If I was trying to fool someone, I'd have made it sound somewhat more exciting.

you once were fooled by a story yourself and then made up your own to feel better.


To be honest, if I was 'fooled?' by a story, I probably would have said it somewhere in the thread.

your father used the mirror reflection trick to fool you all.


And; what's that?
 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 3:51pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,437 posts

A friend talking to you about his paycheck is, again, something almost inevitable. They also come in envelopes...

I could've easily been wrong. He could've said, "Nope, it's [something completely different]." Lots of things come in envelopes. It could've been a college acceptance letter, a bill, a project, an application, etc. He had never brought one before and the topic was rarely mentioned, so it wasn't a familiar thing.
 
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