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Since this topic hasn't been popping up much, and since the old threads are all so cluttered up, I took the liberty of creating this new one.
So yes, someone asked me for sources about my claims that 1500 species of animals practice homosexual behaviour? Here.
Source 1
Source 2
Now on to one of the sub questions. Is it natural? Well, someone mentioned that it wasn't natural only for humans. Now, why this discrimination? If the Gods of various religions keep throwing and creating people who are homosexual, either a) They're bad factory operators or b) Something is fishy with whatever anti-gay talk religious conservatives swear is sacred.
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You have been stalked by one which didn't end in intercourse
Only because I took initiative and.... *ahem* dealt with him.
So the thing about homosexuality being natural won't do. Well, human can't be considered natural beings anyway, so I guess that doesn't apply. We are however social beings, thinking beings and rational beings, and as homosexuality, just like heterosexuality is not a choice, there should at least be a minimum of respect towards an affectionate and loving relationship between two consenting individuals that have fallen in love (which in its own right is a state of madness, no matter what your sexuality is).
Sure, you might not like it, but there are probably people out there that doesn't like to look at porno movies, there are asexual people out there, aromantical people, weird people, boring people...
There are people out there.
They deserve as much respect as you do, even if they are not like that. Why? Because they are your own species.
Bravo, Cen, Bravo.
[/quote]So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.[quote]
That's the long and short of what he's saying.
I abide by the laws of state, country, and polite society. I challenge you to find me ONCE doing things above stated, publically. I win.
You abide to a side that does not push itself to moral boundaries and you abide like a sheep, in such scenario.
You do not win, and gathering that you do from the simple idea that others will follow is unreasonable at best.
I don't see that.
Are you seriously disputing the integrity of the report?
If you're going to do that, then there's no point carrying on this discussion.
And now humans are being compared to dolphins!
"Well, dolphins do it, so so should I!" xD
No, there is a good comparison to be drawn, not a correlation or even a reason -- a comparison.
Mainly because I have been stalked by one. Any other questions, boy?
Generalize an entire group of people over one example? Fallacious, hm? That, and I wouldn't try and be so condescending when you're at this point of a debate -- it shows an inherent idiotic flavour in all other texts you then add.
Ability to be dishonest.
Right, because that's something to revere humans for.
You call these complex, but they're actually more to do with the flaws humans have and thus compensate for... rather than actually not having them in the first place.
Emotional hatred, not Pavlov.
Makes sense that they can feel something... granted, I have no real reasoning behind that so I'll give you that one.
I could argue that hatred is unreasonable, however. Ironically...
"Only the unloved hate, the unloved and unnatural."
- Charlie Chaplin
Of course, this isn't necessarily scientifically following or contributing to the actual point... worth pointing out.
Maybe ya don't like the taste of contraceptives or something irrational like that. *shrugs* it's none of my biz.
... Wait... what?
How does that even make it beneficial?
I mean, seeing wounded soldier, on the enemy side, and helping him.
... Isn't that compassion? That, and the battles animals would have are based on survival -- that kind of ideology does not work in that scenario.
Very true. But, don't I recall saying much of the same thing earlier on?
I don't know if you do -- I don't... can you get me the quote and the page its on please?
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.
You can't derive that conclusion (or sarcasm if that's the case) from merely that. And... well, not necessarily no. It's the complex social and financial ideology that we're given with -- plus the fact that we adapt the environment to us and not vice versa that makes us much more unique.
For one thing, I think evolution is a bit fishy, (pardon the pun)
Simply put, you're questioning the theory of evolution by natural selection... correct?
I said it's unnatural for the human race, and serves no purpose.
Serves no purpose? No... not any practical ones -- but unnatural? Pretty sure that isn't the case.
1) Ya ain't animals, no matter WHAT the Bad Touch says.
Er...
We are animals -- we are chordates beyond that. It's part of science, and saying we're not is.... stupid, to say the least
2) Ya have no legitimate reasons based on the survival of ya species.
And? As if people care about their species -- if they want kids they want it for themselves, nothing more.
Of course there can be exceptions, however that's the general idea people have.
3) Ya really shouldn't bandwagon. It's bad form in arguementation.
Bandwagon? What?
Only because I took initiative and.... *ahem* dealt with him.
You couldn't say it would've ended in intercourse -- it's hypothetical.
Yes... I know I brought up a hypothetical situation, but I didn't state it as an absolute
That -- and the same reason that it's based on one example still applies.
Good night, Nichodemus ^^
- H
one more reason to dislike gays is that every gay i met in my life is too EMO
She doesn't seem that Emo to me.
Get Off the Cross!
Also, no, homosexual men are not attracted to you. They are not going to hit on you, and if they are and you tell them you don't swing that way, they will leave you alone.
I had a homosexual guy hit on me once, it's not so bad. I got free pizza!
What I'm interested in is where the hell you got the idea that being homosexual is natural behaviour. And by natural, I mean part of the species' survival content.
Here's one example from an evolutionary perspective.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gay-animals-and-evolution
whilst I don't see a practical use as far as humans are concerned I'm not denying the fact that it's a natural occurance.
It could have served in a similar manner to the penguins exampled above.
Ahem. There's nothing wrong with being homosexual, if you keep it to yourself, or out of sight. In public, it's considerably rude to be such. If you have a wife/husband, and have said affliction, it's between you and her/him how it works. I have the misfortune to say i know where gays stand, but I try to forget about it.
Do you feel the same about heterosexuality? If not then why the double standard?
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.
Humans are animals. Genus Homo, Family Hominidiae, Order Primates, Class Mammalia , Kingdom Animalia aka animals.
We are however social beings, thinking beings and rational beings, and as homosexuality, just like heterosexuality is not a choice, there should at least be a minimum of respect towards an affectionate and loving relationship between two consenting individuals that have fallen in love (which in its own right is a state of madness, no matter what your sexuality is).
I would think this argument applies even if it was a choice.
1) Ya ain't animals, no matter WHAT the Bad Touch says.
2) Ya have no legitimate reasons based on the survival of ya species.
3) Ya really shouldn't bandwagon. It's bad form in arguementation.
1) yes we are.
2) Yes there is (see above comments)
3) Then please stop.
My book is red.
An apple is red.
Therefore both are the same. Is that your logic? Do I even need to point out the daftness in it?
That is the lamest argument I ever read
Well.. it was a question as well -- so... do you need to be pointed out the daftness in your logic?
- H
Ya have no legitimate reasons based on the survival of ya species.
so everything everybody do is for survival? if that was true there wouldnt be any emotions, we wouldnt sigh, we wouldnt speak, and we wouldnt do many other things.
They are incapable of complex human emotions, such as compassion, charity (same thing?), Shrewdness, Romance, Hatred, love.... The list is endless.
of course, this is why animals dont:
lick
growl
attack
hug
take care of their children
protect (and by protect they even protect other species)
and most importantly: LIVE WITH EACH OTHER FOREVER?
do know that many birds and some foxes (and probably more) live with their couple forever. i even remember that there is a bird that died of sadness when its mate dies....
yes
Very well, troll.
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.
You based this on the statement of:
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3�âïÿý"5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females.
Which shows nowhere near enough evidence to support your conclusion. If you have other reasons then you obviously failed to mention it.
I have 8 fingers.
My brother has 8 fingers...
Therefore my brother must be me and vice versa!
An immensely irrelevant idea that has no proper correlation or sufficient evidence to back it up. Please continue to the point where asking for a ban on you wouldn't be as unreasonable.
- H
Do you feel the same about heterosexuality
I do. I'd rather not see you or anyone make out with anyone. Not in public. It reflects badly on the planet I'm trapped on.
1) yes we are.
2) Yes there is (see above comments)
3) Then please stop.
1) Then why are we even discussing this? Go eat a baby.
2) I meant for the human race, HUMAN.
3) I believe it is evenloy divided.
Humans are animals. Genus Homo, Family Hominidiae, Order Primates, Class Mammalia , Kingdom Animalia aka animals.
Except for me.
Kingdom(Adraes) Anomis, Class(Steile) Instaeblic, Order(Lau) Ruoler, Family(Creu) Domiscate, Genus(Tepo) Ara.
Now prove me wrong.
died of sadness when its mate dies....
Or, more likely because it realized there was no more it could do for its species. Instincts, remember?
so everything everybody do is for survival
According to animalists!!
I refuse to argue with Highfire. His points seem to be valid.
he said
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3���â�ï�ÿ�ý"5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females
i said
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals.
I meant
So there is no difference b/w human beings and animals?
Rephrase :-
"So humans are not any better then animals?"
U get it now dummy?
"So humans are not any better then animals?"
We consider our species better than other animals because well, its our specis. But are we better than animals? No. Because we are animals. Unless you are willing to say that you are better than yourself.
I don't think we need other animals to be gay for humans to be gay. No matter what, we could make arguments supporting or degrading homosexuality.
We consider our species better than other animals because well, its our specis. But are we better than animals? No. Because we are animals. Unless you are willing to say that you are better than yourself
Sceintificaly yes, but on moral grounds I dont think any one will like to b called animal.
We r humans only bcoz we know right from wrong and we have a kind of self control.
Or, more likely because it realized there was no more it could do for its species. Instincts, remember?
like? mating? last time i checked they dont sign papers that say they cant move on. so you just took a small sentence from my entire comment because you thought you could respond to that in a smart way and ignored everything else? to that i can say:
I refuse to argue with Highfire. His points seem to be valid.
you are a mind reader.
Sceintificaly yes, but on moral grounds I dont think any one will like to b called animal.
We r humans only bcoz we know right from wrong and we have a kind of self control.
only because we are so pride. unlike humans, animals dont go on wars. animals of the same species (unlike humans) protect eachother. they dont waste their energy on racism and many other stupid excuses for hatred.
id say that humans did more wrong to themselves, the animals AND the planet then any other species. so in that point of view, animals are actually better.
besides, if we all knew what is right and what is wrong we wouldnt have prisons and you wouldnt think homosexuality is wrong either :P
only because we are so pride. unlike humans, animals dont go on wars. animals of the same species (unlike humans) protect eachother.
wrong
They do fight and even go to war in group fights (Ever seen dogs fighting?)
as for
they dont waste their energy on racism and many other stupid excuses for hatred.
we dont understand there language so nothing can b said about it.
id say that humans did more wrong to themselves, the animals AND the planet then any other species. so in that point of view, animals are actually better.
That is the price of being smarter.
besides, if we all knew what is right and what is wrong we wouldnt have prisons and you wouldnt think homosexuality is wrong either :P
Their is a difference b/w knowing what is right and doing what is right.
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