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Posted Jun 22, '12 at 11:30pm

pickpocket

pickpocket

5,896 posts

You know I hope this thread does better than the last. Basically it was us all just complaining and doing nothing. This one should motivate people to go and get up off their lazy bums and make a decent well thought out forum. I don't care what your favorite fruit is. I don't care what soda you like. I DON'T CARE! Is it too hard to have a decent convirsation with someone? Back last year when I first joined I was over whelmed. It was amazing honestly, I had stumbled apon a hidden community that I had no idea was here. I enjoyed it too. The people were nice and I made friends. Lots of people were on then too. You could talk with people really. I really enjoyed it. I mean I had hour long conversations with people sometimes. Now I'm lucky to get a message on my profile. So sad. Another thing about the new people is that their are some semi new people who are scaring them away. You have seen it I'm sure. The new guy who is so happy here and makes a thread. It turns out he made it in the wrong section. Then they are attack by back seat mods. "wrong forum noob" or "this will get locked" helps no one. Be nice. Your not even posting more than 7 words. Way to set an example. Instead say, "hey, you might have put this is the wrong area." not "link" or "look here first". Sorry, that was bugging me. But c'mon just stop. Maybe that's why new comers don't stay. So instead of saying " no new peoples " I urge you to go and take a look at the new comers forums and be nice to some new people. Who knows, maybe they will be te next vets of this site.

 

Posted Jun 22, '12 at 11:33pm

dudeguy45

dudeguy45

3,038 posts

First of all, good presentation of this topic OP, better than "forums suk".


Why would someone have to take time out of their schedule to do something they don't care about and isn't essential?


I can name 1,000,001 things that people do reguarly that are'nt essential...


The above process has been dying off recently. More & more veteran users have become less active (due to work, school, ETC...)
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I'm not saying I don't have a life, because I'm busy, but I dont really find it all that time consuming to log on, respond to my messanger and post in a few threads. I may skip a day here or there, but I do it pretty reguarly.

On the Cormyn topic, i felt like he cared, since I mostly flooded his messanger with uber noob questions about AG3, and he always responded politley and calmly. I think he temp banned me, but, hey, who's fault is that?

I like to think our Admins are just hustlin their bustles with AG3. Im not saying I don't get annoyed when I see spam... But the forums are nice and clean in my opinion.

I agree with Ernie's mortals-on-Olympus idea. They usually input better ideas too.
 

Posted Jun 22, '12 at 11:33pm

Freakenstein

Freakenstein

9,286 posts

Moderator

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{Average post seen in thread}

*complains that community is boring*

*doesn't do a thing about it*

That is all.

 

Posted Jun 22, '12 at 11:46pm

daleks

daleks

3,706 posts

If you are telling me that I am part of the average I might flip out Frank.

I contacted joey and showed him this thread. Joey said that he will mention to Dan about the want/need for a community manager.

If that means I am doing nothing about it then tell me what I can do.

Also I have a backup plan if Dan does not do anything.

 

Posted Jun 22, '12 at 11:48pm

dudeguy45

dudeguy45

3,038 posts

Also I have a backup plan if Dan does not do anything.


You have my attention. Just don't press the big red button.

The communty iz borin

Im gonn do nothing
 

Posted Jun 23, '12 at 12:04am

Salvidian

Salvidian

4,299 posts

It wouldn't surprise me if AG3 was just a clever joke, so the admins would have an excuse to take a two year vacation. Or would that make me a cynic?


That's rather unrealistic and harsh. I hope you're joking.

I beg to differ. The WEPR is filled with such a pleothra of hypocrites and pseudo-intellectuals, who draw content merely from using their so called "experience" to shout down and violently suppress differing opionions. Its okay to argue, so long as you don't go against the self-proclaimed infallible bastion that is their ideology.
Or perhaps the joke is on me for thinking that such things as 'respect' and 'tolerance' could exist on the internet.


Frankly, compared to other websites and the rest of the internet and whatnot, I've found that AG's WEPR is fairly respectable. Well, in the past anyways. There really are a few credible users who frequently post their sources and logically explain their opinion, instead of blatantly shoving it down your throat. Now, along with the generation transition in the OP, we have received lots of childish, immature users. Some of them have flowed into the WEPR and have caused quite a ruckus, but that has only been around for the past year or so. Perhaps you could visit one of AG's competitors and see how well our WEPR has held up.

I don't think anyone has an idea of the release date of AG3.


Indeed. Besides, how hard is it to quit developing for 5 minutes to write a short paragraph on recent updates?

We don't, because either they are doing their job and getting lots done and just not informing us (some of the features talked about I would imagine would be hard to implement into the beta without having to reset it later on), or they're being lazy and just not informing us. Either way, it's not very encouraging to the users, and it has led to a bit of a decay, particularly in trust. While I do hope and trust that the former is the case, assurance is a blessing and we may never know the truth for a while. I do hope that this comes to the attention of the staff and it is sought out that some action is made


As for the reassurance of the staff, I don't think we will ever see any unless something actually happens with the majority of the staff becoming somewhat active again.

AG has gotten well... boring. I see it as just the problem of too much going on in too many people's lives to be on a website for hours on a day. I don't think there's much we can do about it, I've taken some hiatuses myself from this site. It feels good for a while. I'll be interested to see what happens. I'm usually here, just watching the forums, and if something peaks my intrests, I comment on it. I also post poetry in the arts section. I am a veteran of the site, and it's cool being in the forums. I like these forums because it's so nicely organized, and you don't have to go the equivalent of 4 miles to get to the bottom of them. it's one page. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know.


No offense, but previously stated comments don't really help. A solution is the last thing on the objectives list right now.

Hello Salvidian, you haven't been into the AMW it seems, because tonnes of it really is small talk sloppily disguised as art related stuff.


Aye, my weakness has once again been shown! In the past, the AMW has actually been a center of creativity. After reading your post and have traveled the harsh plains of the AMW and have left a cold, mindless, moron. The recent ravages of stupidity are heartbreaking.

Seriously though, the AMW will pick up if AG ever receives a large flow of activity again.

Yeah. Even the contests have the exact same problem that the rest of the forums have - a lack of willing participants. A lot of the personal threads are sloppy, disorganized, procrastinated [on], or simply, no effort is put into them.


Once again, I can blame this on the noobs. Not to be hypocritical and all, but I haven't put my best effort into the AMW because I've been busy. I tried with Apophysis stuff, but everything else I've left for abandonment.

Or when you are in the AMW thread you tell someone what they can do to make there work better and they ignore you or get mad at you for degrading their work. That is why I like Cen's threads. He let's me comment and actually say what I think.


Ignorance is a good tool for destruction.

I have observed in recent months, that the forums are kind of being ignored by the newer users. Most newcomers to the forums post 50 to 100 times, then become inactive. Out of these many, of course, there is always those few who stay, and remain active users in the community. This process is what keeps the community alive. When an veteran user retires so to speak, he/she is replaced by new users who stay and become active in the community. The process is perpetual. New users come, old users go, and the community grows.


Yes, but the problem is that those new users who arrive tend to leave out of the lack of devotion for the community.

You know I hope this thread does better than the last. Basically it was us all just complaining and doing nothing. This one should motivate people to go and get up off their lazy bums and make a decent well thought out forum. I don't care what your favorite fruit is. I don't care what soda you like. I DON'T CARE! Is it too hard to have a decent convirsation with someone? Back last year when I first joined I was over whelmed. It was amazing honestly, I had stumbled apon a hidden community that I had no idea was here. I enjoyed it too. The people were nice and I made friends. Lots of people were on then too. You could talk with people really. I really enjoyed it. I mean I had hour long conversations with people sometimes. Now I'm lucky to get a message on my profile. So sad. Another thing about the new people is that their are some semi new people who are scaring them away. You have seen it I'm sure. The new guy who is so happy here and makes a thread. It turns out he made it in the wrong section. Then they are attack by back seat mods. "wrong forum noob" or "this will get locked" helps no one. Be nice. Your not even posting more than 7 words. Way to set an example. Instead say, "hey, you might have put this is the wrong area." not "link" or "look here first". Sorry, that was bugging me. But c'mon just stop. Maybe that's why new comers don't stay. So instead of saying " no new peoples " I urge you to go and take a look at the new comers forums and be nice to some new people. Who knows, maybe they will be te next vets of this site.


You're post can ultimately be summed up in one easy way: lack of motivation. Lack of support. Lack of quaility.

On the Cormyn topic, i felt like he cared, since I mostly flooded his messanger with uber noob questions about AG3, and he always responded politley and calmly. I think he temp banned me, but, hey, who's fault is that?


Finally, a mature outlooking of someone who was banned by Cormyn. It's disheartening seeing how many people are easily crushed for breaking the rules.

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>_>
{Average post seen in thread}
*complains that community is boring*
*doesn't do a thing about it*
That is all.


Ironically, this was brought up in another way. Unmotivation, and yadayadayada. Fortunately daleks contacted joeybetz on the thread and joeybetz is doing his best to tell Dan. I've also seen MrDayCee spread these ideas around, and a few others who helped in smaller ways. Honestly, this is the most action I've seen in a year.
 

Posted Jun 23, '12 at 1:53am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,300 posts

Knight

Aye, my weakness has once again been shown! In the past, the AMW has actually been a center of creativity. After reading your post and have traveled the harsh plains of the AMW and have left a cold, mindless, moron. The recent ravages of stupidity are heartbreaking.


It has always been much of small talk, but in the past, the small talk was at least quirky, and art-related, back when the NES or Aftermath was up. Or when the WoM was active. I think that's one area that we can't build upon fast, since that requires constant, enthusiastic, artsy folk. I'd already be happy if more people posted regularly in other sections, let alone the AMW.
 

Posted Jun 23, '12 at 2:10am

SSTG

SSTG

11,651 posts

Knight

I don't really know what to add concerning this matter since AG is free for me to play and participate in the forums. I think it's up to us to make it better. I personally get bored when an argument last forever like in those religion and political threads. It's like talking to a wall and people get frustrated, lose their temper (I did once), get mad,etc. I don't like to get mad because in general, I'm a happy person.
Anyway, with all the distractions that the internet offers, you can't keep people in one place. Sometimes people would spent a lot of time on YouTube, sometimes they listen to internet radio, play online games, play on their Iphone, game consoles, and even play outside (can you believe it?),etc.
Some threads are actives like the http://armorgames.com/community/thread/5772085/crush-the-castle-2-custom-castles/page/1 in which I participate a lot because it allows me to share my artistic creations.
I'm happy that I can do all this for free so I don't really understand why there's such a fuss about the forums.
That's just my humble opinion.

 

Posted Jun 23, '12 at 2:25am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,300 posts

Knight

Frankly, compared to other websites and the rest of the internet and whatnot, I've found that AG's WEPR is fairly respectable. Well, in the past anyways. There really are a few credible users who frequently post their sources and logically explain their opinion, instead of blatantly shoving it down your throat. Now, along with the generation transition in the OP, we have received lots of childish, immature users. Some of them have flowed into the WEPR and have caused quite a ruckus, but that has only been around for the past year or so. Perhaps you could visit one of AG's competitors and see how well our WEPR has held up.


Well, the long time WERP people will have aged, and aren't in the main AG demographic group, the younger teens, so it would seem childish for you guys. It was still much better in the past, especially when the mods were posting more frequently. Especially Moe. Pity AG's Professor of Philosophy left.
 

Posted Jun 23, '12 at 2:17pm

MrDayCee

MrDayCee

9,349 posts

Moderator

A question that kept buggin me... Isn't it fair to wonder what happened to the other mods, besides Gantic, Freakenstein, Strop and former mod - Cenere then?

I wish they would get Asherlee, Zophia and MRWalker back, because I really miss their presence! They were -next to being a mod- also fun people to talk to!

It's not that I don't like the current ones, far from it!, but they don't seem to have the time to socialise as the others did. Probably because of the work load? IDK... =/