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Now, for references of Scientifically correct things before the ideas were actually proven...

Round Earth:
Isaiah 40:22

It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
   and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
   and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Science used to teach that the earth used to sit on the back of an animal. The reason scientists taught this was because they couldn't believe the flat earth wasn't supported by something.
Job 26:7

He stretches out the north over the void
   and hangs the earth on nothing.

Now, the Bible talks about atoms. 2,000 years ago, when Hebrews was written, it said in the third verse of the eleventh chapter:

By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

That enough for you?

@ Eless:

Firstly, a circle is NOT a sphere, which the Earth is. Also, common wisdom at the time taught that the earth was a disk, not a square. So to say "The circle of the earth" was in keeping with the flat earth idea and has no bearing on the earth actually being a sphere.

Also, the earth would hang on nothing according to the Christian view because the teachings of the earth supported by a large creature were tied to pagan religions. Christianity taught that God placed the earth within a void, partly to separate themselves from many of the pagan teachings. Also, Greek mythology placed the earth over a pit or void, so the idea wasn't solely Christian in its origins.

Lastly, the passage of Hebrews 11:3 is a very new translation. If we go back to more accurate translations of this passage from the original language they were written in we find that it more closely says:
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

This means that the word of God, or his spirit, make up everything. This was also a common teaching among Christianity, that all things are a part of God, being that God is everywhere. This in no way at all refers to atomic particles.

Firstly, a circle is NOT a sphere, which the Earth is.

Actually it's not even a sphere it's a spheroid.

Round Earth:

Now, the Bible talks about atoms. 2,000 years ago, when Hebrews was written, it said in the third verse of the eleventh chapter:

eehhh, Hebrew won't write in this. but for what I was saying:
rnBall/sphere/circlern

Y'know what? I like to imagine the world looks like this:


And I should imagine that the disc shape was what was implied in the bible and not a spheroid.

Y'know what? I like to imagine the world looks like this:

Until I'm shown proof that it isn't then I guess I'm allowed to believe that it is - after all I have an artist's rendition of it so it MUST be true.

Until I'm shown proof that it isn't then I guess I'm allowed to believe that it is

But still, referring to my last post, circle can be anything.

Have you ever heard a definition of a sphere? It is considered a three-dimensional round object. In the place of round, circle is a little more strict. Since a sphere is only a more defined way of saying a circle, I think we would be better off leaving this topic alone.

Or, if you want more reasons, then if you rotate a sphere in any direction, it looks like a circle. You look at a picture, it says it's a sphere, but looking straight on, it only looks like a circle. You look at it from the side, it looks like a flat object supposed to look like a circle.

Have you ever heard a definition of a sphere? It is considered a three-dimensional round object. In the place of round, circle is a little more strict. Since a sphere is only a more defined way of saying a circle, I think we would be better off leaving this topic alone. Or, if you want more reasons, then if you rotate a sphere in any direction, it looks like a circle. You look at a picture, it says it's a sphere, but looking straight on, it only looks like a circle. You look at it from the side, it looks like a flat object supposed to look like a circle.

You're assuming that the people who wrote the Bible didn't know a thing about science. Then why does it mention a circle? I always thought of a square or a rectangle than a circle when I heard the words 'The world is flat'. Also, the atoms. It talks about us being made of things that could not be seen by the eye. Atoms are basically the only thing we haven't seen with our eyes, telescopes or microscopes. Obviously, they must have known something.

I mean the bottom one is a sphere, my mistake...

But earth has two differences from the sphere you showed:
1. On earth you could not see the other side of the ball.
2. Earth is not a net.

For example, this is a sphere:



This is a circle: