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kiddslayer12
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I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.

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pHacon
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and if we came from star dust doesn't that mean that part of the creation story is true?


The creation story says that we were made directly from clay. I say clay because Adam translates into 'red earth' which is... clay...
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and if we came from star dust doesn't that mean that part of the creation story is true?


The bible says God created man directly from dust and not 'And lo, the LORD mixed up some star dust with a pinch o' life and BOOM! He had the perfec' human'
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The creation story says that we were made directly from clay. I say clay because Adam translates into 'red earth' which is... clay...

but red earth could be red dust like in austrailian outback
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The bible says God created man directly from dust and not 'And lo, the LORD mixed up some star dust with a pinch o' life and BOOM! He had the perfec' human'

it is however simply a story and I suppose I took it too literaly along with everyone else

sorry for double post
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but red earth could be red dust like in austrailian outback


Yet not star dust.

thank you commanderr why cant we fit creation in with science did not god create science he createed plants with coplicated ways of growing and living. not with some magic mumbo jumbo


Because the creationist plants were made before the sun... That would make plants that have to follow the laws of science die...
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Yet not star dust.

but we come from the dust just as other creatures come from their earlier ancestors
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Oh god...creationist behold Eric Hovind and why creationism is wrong. Please watch both videos before commenting again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW1SzBGEAzI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn-5JiHwJY4

Avorne
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but we come from the dust just as other creatures come from their earlier ancestors


So you admit evolution happens in Animals? Yes or no?

If yes - then we are animals also (Mammals to be specific).

If no - then you are ignoring a whole load of evidence (which you will probably put down to Satan...).
Avorne
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Sorry for the double post but - After checking out those videos... Check this one by Eric Hovind's father:

CommanderDude7
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I know that we are mammals never said we aren't. Im just saying the dust part is true.

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I know that we are mammals never said we aren't. Im just saying the dust part is true.


What on earth do you mean by this? I tried reading your earlier posts, but they don't make any sense either. If you're claiming that we're literally made from dust, then you're forced to accept the conclusion that we're not mammals. In fact, you're forced to accept the conclusion that we're not even alive.
Dust, as I understand it, is either a) the stuff on my ceiling fan (I really do need to clean it) which is actually mostly skin particles, meaning it comes from us - not the other way around, or b) loose sand.
Neither option can somehow spontaneously form life. Now, granted, many of the elements that compose our body, like carbon, came from stars. That's why life is sometimes compared to star dust. But let's be clear - a lot more needs to happen for life to exist than some dust floating around. Amino acids, to start with...
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Looks like I'm late to the party.

I'm spreading myself out here a little bit, but let me explain. It actually first born SON, as stated in Exodus 11:5, And also is not exclusively children. If you were a man, first born, then you also would die. Since the Pharaoh would not listen to reason no matter what, God simply had to resort to this, and if you recall, it worked to an extent.


Wasn't it not God who hardened the Pharaohs heart so he wouldn't budge in the first place? This really isn't justification for murder, even with my limited human mind I can think of other options besides killing the innocent to get a group of people out of slavery if I had omnipotent options available to me.

1) Thou shalt not kill is very general,


So if someone refused to do what I say I would then be justified in killing his children?
Someone saying no is not justification for killing no matter how generalized the command to not kill is.

2) God is powerful. All powerful.


Witch is just what wolf was getting at with,
"Oh, let me guess, he's god so he's special and laws don't apply to him. If god is so powerful he could have come up with a better solution than killing people." and my own statement above. If God really was so powerful then he would have better options. So saying God is all powerful doesn't justify the action but compounds the cruelty of it.

thank you commanderr why cant we fit creation in with science did not god create science he createed plants with coplicated ways of growing and living. not with some magic mumbo jumbo


To add God we must add many assertions and complicate the points far more then needed. If there is no evidence for it we can say it happened that way. Since there is no evidence for God we can't say "God did it".

Im just saying the dust part is true.


Saying this is a bit like saying you can make a modern computer out of rocks, it leaves out far to many steps to be an accurate statement.
But anyway at what point was God needed for this process of taking the remnants of the dead stars and reforming them into there current form? Gravitational forces allowed those original stars to form in the first place. As they burned out they formed nebula which again as a result of gravitational forced resembled into our sun, planet, and the other planets.
Adding God to this is a bit like giving credit to someone for opening an automatic door. Sure he could have been involved but it was likely to happen without him.
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but does it mean thou shall not kill or shall not murder


Last I checked, "thou shalt not kill" meant "thou shalt not kill"....
wolf1991
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And the last time I checked, murder involves killing

Moegreche
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Last I checked, "thou shalt not kill" meant "thou shalt not kill"....


There's this story in the Bible about Moses having to hold the staff of God above his head in order to aid the Israelites to victory against the Malakites. And there are many other stories of God not only condoning, but facilitating the deaths of those on the "wrong side" of a battle.
If that commandment were taken literally, then all those people would have broken it. There are obvious translational issues and further complications even in the intention of the passage.
Yet another example of how scriptures like the Bible are descriptive of already accepted morals within a society, rather than a normative explanation of what we ought to do.
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