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So waht you're saying is that believing in a higher power is like having a parental or familial comfort? I hate to say it, but that's something I would call a crutch.

And what's wrong with that? Finding comfort in a god is no different than finding it in family, friends, love, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc. However many religions are better alternatives to things such as drugs and alcohol but each to his own.

However, in history it has not only been the extremist making war over religion. Religion tends to be used as a tool to make war, and as we are speaking of modern day I used a modern example.

I know more people who have been changed in some way by religion than I will ever know; an example of an extremist is a good point but not an argument.

So are you; go to church, spend time with people who's lives have been changed through belief in God. It doesn't matter that he exists what matters is that there are people who will love you no matter what and the idea that there is a supreme being who will as well.

The people's life could easily be fixed threw psychological help, religion is an unnecessary to repair.

And to add to my former post, I believe you are right kye, I probably should have based off a more broad aria. How about the the religious people who commit hate crimes against gays do to there religion? It is not only extremist doing it.

The people's life could easily be fixed threw psychological help, religion is an unnecessary to repair.

No, it couldn't and that's the point. What could possible help more than a community people that love you and psychological form a professional who is also religious.

And to add to my former post, I believe you are right kye, I probably should have based off a more broad aria. How about the the religious people who commit hate crimes against gays do to there religion? It is not only extremist doing it.

Which is also extremism and tends to only happen on the news for some reason. I've experienced it I know what the church is like and for all its flaws it's a far more positive than negative influence.

And what's wrong with that? Finding comfort in a god is no different than finding it in family, friends, love, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.

One's is tangible, visible, responds. I used to be religious hell sometime in moments of desperation I still go back to it, and thats why I think of it as a crutch, because people can't have the comfort of a parent for ever one day you have to grow up and face the real world.

How about the the religious people who commit hate crimes against gays do to there religion?

Again extremism, I have many Christian friends who have already declared that god who is supposed to love all his children not accepting someone because of a romantic decision is an idiotic though. Admittedly they do find it distasteful, however they don't abuse gays.

No, it couldn't and that's the point. What could possible help more than a community people that love you and psychological form a professional who is also religious.

How about help in that has been extensively studied enough to find out what makes them act that way to be able to fix it?

Which is also extremism and tends to only happen on the news for some reason. I've experienced it I know what the church is like and for all its flaws it's a far more positive than negative influence.

You may call it extremism, but it happens in a large enough base for me to call it nearly-common.

Now could you name one thing that the church does that is positive and could not happen without religion? To me it seems everything you have mentioned as positive could happen without religion, while many of the negative things could not.

because people can't have the comfort of a parent for ever one day you have to grow up and face the real world.

I disagree and that's why there are so many Christians; one giant support group that builds upon itself. Everyone has a crutch everyone for some people religion is perfect for others it's not.

I have many Christian friends who have already declared that god who is supposed to love all his children not accepting someone because of a romantic decision is an idiotic though. Admittedly they do find it distasteful, however they don't abuse gays.

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What'd I miss? How did the conversation get to pedophile priests? And you have to remember only Catholic priests have been proved that perverse.

If you note from the video the problem has been around since at least 60AD. The first recorded use of the term Catholic Church comes from around 107AD.

And what's wrong with that? Finding comfort in a god is no different than finding it in family, friends, love, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.

It matters if your interested in the truth. I would say there is a big difference in finding comfort between those things you listed. Some of them are false comfort, some of them are destructive, some of them can be very simple, while others can be very complex and deep.

religion is an unnecessary to repair.

Sometimes it can even impede that process of repair.

One's is tangible, visible, responds. I used to be religious hell sometime in moments of desperation I still go back to it, and thats why I think of it as a crutch, because people can't have the comfort of a parent for ever one day you have to grow up and face the real world.

You can take God everywhere. I'm pretty sure, however, you cannot take a prostitute or booze into work. Unless you work at the Porno joint.

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Now could you name one thing that the church does that is positive and could not happen without religion? To me it seems everything you have mentioned as positive could happen without religion, while many of the negative things could not.

Well, fulfillment for the lives of billions. I cannot think of things the church destroys that could not happen anyway.

You can take God everywhere

Clear this up for me, when was the last time you actually saw god, not in your dreams not as a statue, not in your heart but actually saw him? Touched him?

The first recorded use of the term Catholic Church comes from around 107AD.

The weather outside is terrible as such videos and games refuse to load. The term was first used when the original religion split in Catholicism and Greek Orthodox, no? Either way, I was think more of recent times where only the Catholic church has had to deal with such scandals.

Clear this up for me, when was the last time you actually saw god, not in your dreams not as a statue, not in your heart but actually saw him? Touched him?

The idea of god/God would always be with you. Another point for religion on this one.

I was think more of recent times where only the Catholic church has had to deal with such scandals.

Openly that is.

Clear this up for me, when was the last time you actually saw god, not in your dreams not as a statue, not in your heart but actually saw him? Touched him?

When was the last time you touched love. Some things are more than touching. Maybe that's what makes it so beautiful, that God is more than touching.

You can take God everywhere. I'm pretty sure, however, you cannot take a prostitute or booze into work. Unless you work at the Porno joint.

You can, and do, take your psychology everywhere you go.

For example, lets say you kid gets in a car crash. Your response depends on many things, such as your personality and relation ship with them, but for the most part you would try to get help.

You could:

A. Pray to your god, witch may provide temporary happiness threw false hope.

B. Go to a shrink to help you with your problems, witch will probably have a longer lasting effect.

C. Head to the drugs/booze, obvious downfalls there.

D. Move on, after paying the respects you wish. This could be hard, depending on your personality, but in the end probably the most effective. If you can not handle it on your own, head to B or your remaining friends/family to assist you.

Religion is unnecessary.

Now, lets take it a step further and say that your kid who died was an atheist, agnostic, or of a different religion than you. In this case, your beliefs say he/she would go to hell. That, in my opinion, would make religion counter productive.

If you can not handle it on your own, head to B or your remaining friends/family to assist you.

Or A which would most likely include your best friends and family inside the community and you would "know" they were in heaven. You'd be surprised how many people will refuse to believe that a loved one is in hell.

@Cinna


Not that long ago.

A. Pray to your god, witch may provide temporary happiness threw false hope.

B. Go to a shrink to help you with your problems, witch will probably have a longer lasting effect.

C. Head to the drugs/booze, obvious downfalls there.

You are assuming and assuming quite falsely that you know what's going to work for everyone. You don't know whether prayer would fix trauma or not, you don't know whether a shrink could even get to this kid after what happened. I cane to God because my best friend died and It cured me. Your point isrushed and null.