I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.
That is a pretty good point, but I have a feeling the kids who grow up in a very religious home are going to be less open about their disbelief in religion; trust me I'm speaking from experience.
@Cinna
You can however see the person you love, touch them, etc.
That is a pretty good point, but I have a feeling the kids who grow up in a very religious home are going to be less open about their disbelief in religion; trust me I'm speaking from experience.
Whose? Use quotes man =P
You can however see the person you love, touch them, etc.
Contrary to my spiffy picture love is abstract and cannot be touched.
I can see God. Through the world. I guess that's because he's so much bigger than everything we know. We as humans can't "see" him like we could other humans.
False hope for billions? That's really an accomplishment?
The idea of god/God would always be with you. Another point for religion on this one.
How is having an idea of something a point for it. My idea of God has changes numerous times over the years. So if you mean a set idea this clearly isn't the case.
When was the last time you touched love. Some things are more than touching. Maybe that's what makes it so beautiful, that God is more than touching.
Can't speak for Kyouzou, but last night with my girlfriend would be my answer.
You don't know whether prayer would fix trauma or not,
No unbias study of prayer has shown it to have any real effect.
I can see God. Through the world.
When I was really little I could see fairies and unicorns through rings of mushrooms. What's your point?
Really what's the purpose of Christianity anyway? Is it to serve and worship God? For what? Just so you can get into heaven and spend eternity worshiping God? Also what's the purpose of condemning those who don't?
You don't know whether prayer would fix trauma or not, you don't know whether a shrink could even get to this kid after what happened. I cane to God because my best friend died and It cured me.
The only effect that prayer has is convincing your psyche that something is different from what it actually is. As the saying goes, if you believe in it enough, it is real. You can gain the same psychological effects of prayer and religion simply through self awareness and psychological study. The point is that God is an idea. An entity conjured from the minds of man to explain the unexplainable and offer psychological comfort in times of grief and hardship.
I can see God. Through the world.
No. You see the world and because of your preconception that God created it, you believe that you are looking at God.
I have a feeling the kids who grow up in a very religious home are going to be less open about their disbelief in religion
I disagree. I grew up in a very religious home, and my family is largely religious. However I am not. Just like anything else in your environment it can and does go both ways. Some become devoutly religious, some reject the idea.
When was the last time you touched love. Some things are more than touching.
Good analogy. Love is an emotion. It is not truly real nor tangible. Many believe that love is simply our natural instincts toward our family. Love causes the same reactions in humans that the natural social instincts cause in many animals. It is the result of hormone levels in the blood and the perception of the effects of these on the body by the brain.
Well, I think you just destroyed any point he tried to make, or will try to make. Both the girlfriend and the fairy comment were hilarious by the way props to you!
That I can see God through the world.
A world of rape, war, genocide, starvation, disease, death etc. I have to say, I'm glad I don't see the same god you do.
That I can see God through the world. Are my posts getting through?
Yes, you see something you regard as beautiful and think it's God's beauty. You see God in this beauty because you were told at some point that this beauty was God. When I was little I was told I could see fairies and unicorns in mushrooms rings, so I was able to.
I said FULFILMENT as in peace and serenity and happiness
So your saying the majority of people can't find this without religion?
I disagree. I grew up in a very religious home, and my family is largely religious. However I am not.
When did your family find out you no longer believed in god? And I mean you flat out said it. And I didn't say they would be less inclined to be anti-religious, just that they would be less open about it in front of the their family.
@Kyouzou: I have been an atheist since I was young, I just didn't really know it I suppose. And yes, I have had many discussions with my family regarding religion, since I was a young child. As I've said before, much of my family are members of the clergy of one faith or another and have degrees in theology. I have debated religion, faith, theology, and many other subjects with them for probably 15 or 16 years now.
I was so open with my family I think because I was raised that it is always better to be honest no matter the consequences, as the consequences of lies are almost always worse. My family is very open about everything, so it was easy for us to have civil and intelligent discussions about everything.
My family never condemned me to hell, they didn't push me one way or another, they just accepted my beliefs and my reasoning and left it at that. My parents are actually atheists today, but they didn't lose their religion until I was grown and out of the home. I think it was just a product of all the debate and the loss of fear of God. Not sure.
