I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.
By that I mean that the risk of thinking, 'Earth is but an intermediate place, I like it but I don't care what happens to it after I'm gone because I'll be in a better place' is very big if you believe in an afterlife. Admittedly, a lot of people who aren't even religious care nothing about earth, but those care nothing about anything but their own wealth..
Just gonna but my two cents in here and then probably peace it out of here. But seriously most christians are only catholic because they want to believe that there will be something good coming from death. Personally id rather not think that once you die, your going to help become a tree, that may or may not be cut down to be used as pages in the bible. I'd rather think that when i die, i will end up going to a good place.
Example one of a pointless contradiction, how many men did davids captains kill. 800 or 300. Do we really need to make a huge fuss over that?
We do when people claim that the Bible is God's word and God is infallible. If in fact the Bible IS God's direct word, then God can't even keep his story straight on the little details.
All these go to show is just what you said, there were multiple writers, meaning many men wrote the Bible, not God himself, therefore the Bible is subject to question as it is the work of fallible men writing their opinions. Hardly the basis for the one true religion.
So suddenly math is thrown out the window cuz I guess that doesn't count either
No because mathematics is a science. Thanks. Nice try at a strawman fallacy though.
I'd rather think that when i die, i will end up going to a good place.
Who doesn't want to think that? Who wants to honestly say that when they die they want that to be the end of it all and after everything they do in their life they are reduced to fertilizer? No one wants that to be the case, which is why religion has been so popular throughout history.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is absolutely no evidence that hints that any of these 'afterlife' myths have any merit or basis in demonstrable fact. As much as I would love to go to a golden city in the sky when I'm dead and be reunited with all my loved ones I simply choose not to believe in such fairy tales.
Now I'm not saying you shouldn't or that you can't or that there is something wrong with you if you do. All I'm saying is that to try to convince others of your belief simply because you have a book that says so is a pointless and useless argument. There is no more truth in the Bible than in Lord of the Rings or Ender's Game or any other work of fiction. It is a book written by men which conveys their thoughts, beliefs, opinions, and ideas. Nothing more.
All these go to show is just what you said, there were multiple writers, meaning many men wrote the Bible, not God himself, therefore the Bible is subject to question as it is the work of fallible men writing their opinions. Hardly the basis for the one true religion.
how many times does it have to said? The bible is written by men, through the infuence of God. I've had to say that too many times. Again I will also say, different writers=different small details. Is the story the same? Yes. Does the number change the fact that they killed some people? No. So then it is pointless. When it actually changes the story, give me a call!
No because mathematics is a science. Thanks. Nice try at a strawman fallacy though.
So here's my question for you, since you are one of the few theists that readily admits that your 'holy book' was written by men.
How is it that you can follow a book written by man when the subject matter is so terribly important? If you can admit that it was written by men, and that men make mistakes, how can you know what is and is not true? And if you can't know for sure what parts are true, how can you believe any of it? To me it seems like a cursory logical analysis of this would lead one to conclude that there is no way to know if any of it is in any way accurate and therefore should be dismissed until evidence proves otherwise.
how many times does it have to said? The bible is written by men, through the infuence of God. I've had to say that too many times. Again I will also say, different writers=different small details. Is the story the same? Yes. Does the number change the fact that they killed some people? No. So then it is pointless. When it actually changes the story, give me a call!
Those "small details" mean it is not infallible. If it is god inspired, then why the hell can't they get a simple number right? You have to remember the small details in science- such as one gram instead of ten- and science does not even claim to be infallible. So why is your God so scatterbrained that he can't get simple numbers right?
My Disney channel answer :P - my heart tells me it's right and I want to be a dancer! Not a chemist! Lol
serious time - The truth all the holy books of all religons and all the books on morals and stuff of that importances are written by man. You can't escape it. I trust that the people that wrote the bible got everything right. If I didn't, I wouldn't be christian. Many of the books of the bible are beautifully written. It's seems to be like picking a college, you know when you're at the right one. You read it and say "this one is right, I just feel it". I can say that I don't agree with everything that happened in the bible, but for the most part, I do.
My Disney channel answer :P - my heart tells me it's right and I want to be a dancer! Not a chemist! Lol
You can listen to your circulatory system all you wish, but it won't help you. Even if you don't wish to be a chemist, many others do, and we can't be forced to stop just because someone else believes in alchemy...
serious time - The truth all the holy books of all religons and all the books on morals and stuff of that importances are written by man. You can't escape it. I trust that the people that wrote the bible got everything right. If I didn't, I wouldn't be christian. Many of the books of the bible are beautifully written. It's seems to be like picking a college, you know when you're at the right one. You read it and say "this one is right, I just feel it". I can say that I don't agree with everything that happened in the bible, but for the most part, I do.
So you are saying the ten commandments, a major thing in modern Christianity, was written by man as it is morals? So you are saying the book doesn't make mistakes-exept for when it makes mistakes.
Now THAT IS NOT HOW COLLAGE WORKS! You don't just go "Well I CAN get in to this ivy league school, but I have a feeling I should choose community collage". Just like with religion, anyone with logic could see that is flawed.
Those "small details" mean it is not infallible. If it is god inspired, then why the hell can't they get a simple number right? You have to remember the small details in science- such as one gram instead of ten- and science does not even claim to be infallible. So why is your God so scatterbrained that he can't get simple numbers right?
They are from two different accounts. The people writting the account probably estimated the number killed. One probably wanted to brag about it. It's similar to how the government of the Rwanda genocide claims a certain number of deaths compared to another investagation team claims ankuch higher death total. You have to remember the sciences of the people in those ages, which has probably been brought before.
They are from two different accounts. The people writting the account probably estimated the number killed. One probably wanted to brag about it. It's similar to how the government of the Rwanda genocide claims a certain number of deaths compared to another investagation team claims ankuch higher death total. You have to remember the sciences of the people in those ages, which has probably been brought before.
So you don't think that human lives are important? It is, especially coming from a "all loving" god. Or even someone inspired by him.
314d1, you seem to like to put words into my mouth that I never said. Never did I say the ten commandments were written by man. The bible was written down by man, off of actual events . We all know the story of the ten commandments. Moses comes down, everything happens, *fast foward*! The deuternomists write it down. The story of the event was written by man into the bible. The actual event happened. Much of the bible is actual history written down.
I don't know where you got the idea of me not valueing human life, I stated that I did value human life in a post only a few pages ago.
Btw, you spelled College wrong. I also got back from a three hour session on choosing colleges and don't really want to think about t anymore.
314d1, you seem to like to put words into my mouth that I never said. Never did I say the ten commandments were written by man. The bible was written down by man, off of actual events . We all know the story of the ten commandments. Moses comes down, everything happens, *fast foward*! The deuternomists write it down. The story of the event was written by man into the bible. The actual event happened. Much of the bible is actual history written down.
You said it was written down by man, thus written by man....
I don't know where you got the idea of me not valueing human life, I stated that I did value human life in a post only a few pages ago.
You just stated that divinely inspired people liked to brag about how many people they killed. Sounds like you don't value it to much.
Btw, you spelled College wrong. I also got back from a three hour session on choosing colleges and don't really want to think about t anymore.
It took you three hours to "feel" what collage is correct?
it's to show that human sacrifice is forbidden. It's setting an example through abraham.
You mean like when Jephthah killed his virgin daughter for god then?
Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah.... And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands. And he smote them ... with a very great slaughter. ... And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances.... And ... when he saw her... said, Alas, my daughter! ... I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. And she said unto him ... Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. ... And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed. -- Judges 11:29-39
