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Mustang2653
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I think it would have to be world war 2 because of all the lives that were lost

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MRWalker82
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Have the communist witch hunts truly stopped, or was the media becoming bored with it?


Well I haven't heard of anything like what was seen previously, and we even have open communists here in the US so I don't think the witch hunts are still going.

List of openly communist organizations in the US
Communist Party USA Homepage

Pretty interesting. We are said to be anti-communist, or even phobic of communists, yet they are here in the US operating openly and freely.
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Pretty interesting. We are said to be anti-communist, or even phobic of communists, yet they are here in the US operating openly and freely.


The United States has always held a very anti-communist stance, even before the existence of the Soviet Union...through the tactics of Union busting, biased media coverage of strikes, and even aiding the White Army in the Russian Civil War. It has always protected the business interest, its hegemony, and the status-quo.

There's plenty of examples in history to show the US's &quothobia" of communism. Just because the CPUSA is able to operate now without attack from the government it doesn't mean anything. The party itself was actually under much attack in its earlier history, especially during the MCarthy era.

And if you missed Glenn Beck shows and the whole Tea Party movement, they continuously do attack and share their views on their deranged view of "socialism". The term itself has so misused in American politics that communism and the Left no longer means a revolutionary movement which aims to create a society in which the means of production is owned by the proletariat, but rather it meant a "dictatorship in which the state controls everything". Even worse, the left has now come to describe Democrats and Obama is even called a communist.
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There's plenty of examples in history to show the US's &quothobia" of communism. Just because the CPUSA is able to operate now without attack from the government it doesn't mean anything. The party itself was actually under much attack in its earlier history, especially during the MCarthy era.


The comment was that the anti-communist movement in the US is not on par with what it was, and that the so-called 'communist witch-hunts' are no longer taking place.

And if you missed Glenn Beck shows


Yes, I intentionally miss the ramblings of a fake pundit on a 'news' show that deliberately misquotes and jumps to wild accusations in the interests of fear-mongering and promoting a closed-minded, ultra right wing, fundamentalist Christian viewpoint.

The term itself has so misused in American politics that communism and the Left no longer means a revolutionary movement which aims to create a society in which the means of production is owned by the proletariat, but rather it meant a "dictatorship in which the state controls everything".


That's because in order to enforce the ideals of communism the distribution of funds must be directed by the government which leads to such a model.

Even worse, the left has now come to describe Democrats and Obama is even called a communist.


That's interesting because the American 'left' ARE the democrats.
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The comment was that the anti-communist movement in the US is not on par with what it was, and that the so-called 'communist witch-hunts' are no longer taking place.


My bad.

Yes, I intentionally miss the ramblings of a fake pundit on a 'news' show that deliberately misquotes and jumps to wild accusations in the interests of fear-mongering and promoting a closed-minded, ultra right wing, fundamentalist Christian viewpoint.


Spot on.

That's because in order to enforce the ideals of communism the distribution of funds must be directed by the government which leads to such a model.


I disagree, but that's a different topic to discuss.

That's interesting because the American 'left' ARE the democrats.


The point is that "leftism" has always been a radical and revolutionary ideology. It originated in the French Revolution in which those who were opposed to the monarchy and supported the revolution stood on the left side of the parliament. The term out of the context of American politics, then, has always meant opposition to the status-quo. So it is not at all correct to label Democrats as "leftists". Both Democrats and Republicans are right wing.
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every war is the worst...

MRWalker82
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The point is that "leftism" has always been a radical and revolutionary ideology. It originated in the French Revolution in which those who were opposed to the monarchy and supported the revolution stood on the left side of the parliament. The term out of the context of American politics, then, has always meant opposition to the status-quo. So it is not at all correct to label Democrats as "leftists". Both Democrats and Republicans are right wing.


I understand what 'leftist' implies, I am simply stating that in American politics we consider the Democratic party to be the 'left' and the Republican party to be the 'right'. I know it doesn't go with the traditional concept of the terms, but then much that we Americans do doesn't go with traditional concepts anyway :P We're rebellious bast*rds like that
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We're rebellious bast*rds like that


Yeah, you just had to fucking use feet and inches instead of centimeters and meters. And cmon, whats up with "Fahrenheit"?

But, the incorrect use of the term, I think, tells much about the anti-communist hysteria relevant in American history.
Communism was never taught as a revolutionary theory, but was rather quickly associated with oppressive states like the USSR. Americans would never hear the term "Bourgeoisie" or &quotroletariat" in their explanation of communism. Teaching Americans about an alternative organization would have been at all too harmful for the corporate world. This made propaganda at all much easier. Instead, Americans understand of communism came from propaganda like this.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccIqjrGGMk]

In short, What is a communist? Someone who is a liar, a thief, shrewd and wants to take your children away.

So the "left" has always really been just used as an insult to anyone remotely close to anything communism is associated with. You're not pro-life? Oh, you must be a commie leftist!
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Messed up the link. Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccIqjrGGMk

Here's more. Anti-communism was present in cartoons, films, news broadcasts, speeches by the President, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w86QhV7whjs&feature=related

Aww crap Im trying to find the one which literally showed a parent's daughter being taken away in order for her to go work on some "communist farm" or something haha

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Americans would never hear the term "Bourgeoisie" or &quotroletariat" in their explanation of communism. Teaching Americans about an alternative organization would have been at all too harmful for the corporate world.


To some extent that's true. However I learned about these things in high school economics. But then, that was back before the 'no child left behind' education reformed which equated to 'every child held back to the level of the least capable'.
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To some extent that's true. However I learned about these things in high school economics. But then, that was back before the 'no child left behind' education reformed which equated to 'every child held back to the level of the least capable'.


So true. Unfortunately
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every war is the worst...


I'd actually say 50% yes 50% no
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Even worse, the left has now come to describe Democrats and Obama is even called a communist.


Obama brought that on himself with his "share the wealth" rant and the overblown hype on the Nationalized Health Care by letting words like, "Universal Health Care" slip out of his mouth. Personally, I stopped trusting what politicians say as I'm much more concerned with the action taken during their administrations.

Going back to the American Civil War, it seems as if a total role reversal has transpired and the tenets of the Republican party has totally switched with those of the Democratic party. Just my observation, since after Bush's disastrous last term of office I've changed my party affiliation, officially to UNaffiliated.
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Going back to the American Civil War, it seems as if a total role reversal has transpired and the tenets of the Republican party has totally switched with those of the Democratic party. Just my observation, since after Bush's disastrous last term of office I've changed my party affiliation, officially to UNaffiliated.


That's true actually. The Democratic Party was the one which supported slavery.

I don't plan on ever voting in my life anyway.
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But see, this is where the American people have their power, or I should say the only power we have left, voting!

Drace
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But see, this is where the American people have their power, or I should say the only power we have left, voting!


Oh please. As Emma Goldman said it, "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal".
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