The USA is using socialist tactics to get itself out of another major depression. Democracy shall always lead to socialism in one way or another! even if it takes 200 years!
The USA is using socialist tactics to get itself out of another major depression. Democracy shall always lead to socialism in one way or another! even if it takes 200 years!
Marxist Determinism dictates this to be true. However a fundamental stage for this is to happen is the anger of the people. Many people do not oppose these seemingly socialist policies. Without this socialism will never come into power. Especially not in the US.
The USA is using socialist tactics to get itself out of another major depression. Democracy shall always lead to socialism in one way or another! even if it takes 200 years!
No its not. A massive bailout is actually very anti-socialist. Lets not use the American definition of socialism.
Drace, might you want to elaborate upon what it is you favor socialism over capitalism? What makes socialism so great? What makes capitalism suck so bad?
What is so weird is that Orthodox Communists and Orthodox Capitalists are practically the same on the issues. They want what is best for society and believe their solution provides it. Both groups are in full opposition to the Iraq War, NAFTA, and corporate welfare. Adam Smith and Karl Marx would be shell-shocked if they saw the state of the world today.
Adam Smith and Karl Marx would be shell-shocked if they saw the state of the world today.
If you asked me, they'd be shellshocked for different reasons. Adam Smith would be shocked at our level of government intervention of the economy against the "invisible hand." Karl Marx would not be able to understand why the proletariat did not band up and overthrow the bourgeoisie in developed countries like Britain or France.
For me the theory of Marxism is outdated. It was created in 1848 during the industrial revolution of the West when the working and living conditions for most workers were terrible. The transition from capitalism to socialism is one triggered by a wave of class consciousness of the proletariat who rise up and overthrow the bourgeoise. However what Marx didnt take into account was reforms and the growth of the bourgeoise. In most Westren countries the middle class who made up the vast majority of politicians reformed improving welfare of the proletariat eg the liberal reforms in Britain at the beginning of the 20th century. In this way the workers were appeased. Another thing Marx didnt take into account was the growth of the middle class. In the latter half of the 20th entury and in the 21st century the middle classes of modernised countries grew massively meaning the proletariat is virtually non existent with most manufacturing outsourced to developing countries like China. In this way Marx's theory is not able to adapt with the times as it seems to only apply to societies going through an industrial revolution.
It was created in 1848 during the industrial revolution of the West when the working and living conditions for most workers were terrible.
Still is in many places and exploitation still occurs.
In the latter half of the 20th entury and in the 21st century the middle classes of modernised countries grew massively meaning the proletariat is virtually non existent with most manufacturing outsourced to developing countries like China.
I'm in my final semester before student teaching, and my professor for the "re-student teaching class" was an orthodox Marxist. The class had large discussions on Marxism, Communism, Capitalism, global economy, politics, etc. He was very orthodox in his Marxist views. His views were very similar to Marx. I could go into this deeper, but there are so many issues at hand, that it's hard to sum up in one post.
Still is in many places and exploitation still occurs.
Yes but not in the west which is why i find it so irritating when people rant on about America becoming communist. Of course there is suffering but on a scale to incite a evolution? I think not.
The middle class are proletariats?
No thats not what i was saying. The proletariat are urban industrial workers. There are very few of these left in countries like the USA and many have become members of the middle class working in the tertiary sector providing services. In societies like the US where the middle class make up the majority of the population how can there be a socialist uprising?
Socialism is by far more democratic and provides far more income equality. Why put a few people in charge of the economy who only care about their own betterment when you could put experts and economists in those positions? The free market isn't free! Its only freedom for a few people to make millions and suck away the money that other's need. Under socialism, the people control the means of production and they control where the money goes.Infact, people can make even more money under socialism than they would under capitalism. In a socialized economy, the guy who slacks off will not get as much money as the guy or girl who has been working his/her booty off for the company. But under capitalism, the workers would get less money because corporate CEOs would be hogging all the wealth.In democratic socialism the government DOES not control companies, the people do. The government would be more like a coach who enforces laws and provides health care and shelter. The United States is a text book example of how undemocratic capitalism really is! The democrats and republicans are not as different as the ignorant media makes them look. They are just two factions of the exact same belief system! Why can't a libertarian ever win the election under capitalism? Why cannot a socialist? A centrist? A communist? A pirate party candidate? This is flagrantly not as democratic as the current federal government and corporation claims it is! The media and corporate America controls the country, not the tax paying citizens! How do you think we are going to be greener if we have greedy corporations like GM and Ford? Or oil companies? They are not going to conform to this "make America greener" theme. Nationalize it all! The people can make it easier to make that much needed change from a corporate pollution producer to a green state of the people! Join the fight for socialism! Don't listen to corporations telling you that there is no point in voting for any kind of third party! Do not conform so easily to what Hannah Montana or Tony Montana tells you! Socialism is just more democratic than any playable capitalist system, I do not care how many Republicans and conservative Democrats claim it is a dictatorship allowing no freedom. Sweden is very much a socialist nation, and it's very democratic. Vote Socialist America!
