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Drace
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I'm for socialism =)

Capitalism sucks

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thelistman
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Well, seeing as the most free, wealthy, and healthy nations are capitalist... I'm going with Capitalism.

For a perfect example of Socialism, look at Robert Mugabe's plans in Zimbabwe. Re-distribute the land; kick out the rich land owners; help the working class and all that other bull. Now inflation has hit over 2 million percent just this year. Everyone is poor. What used to be the richest nation in Africa is now in poverty. YAY SOCIALISM!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7515823.stm

WeeMan147
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I am totally for socialism. Who wants to be part of a system that you have to work hard to become successful? I mean, I want everything distributed evenly and given to me so that my enthusiasm to work is next to null. Socialism is definitely much better. /sarcasm

Drace
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And in the other hand we have the Soviet Union which used to be a super power...

TotalReview
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I am totally for socialism. Who wants to be part of a system that you have to work hard to become successful? I mean, I want everything distributed evenly and given to me so that my enthusiasm to work is next to null. Socialism is definitely much better. /sarcasm


Weeman, you scared me at first before I got to the end. Seriously, socialism is bull. Someone works their ass off as an engineer or a job that helps people and makes the same money as someone who digs holes. I think you should earn what you dish out. If you work hard and do well, your reward should be big. If you are lazy and basically do nothing, your reward should basically be nothing.

Also, Drace, look at what happened to the SU later.
Drace
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The SU failed for other reasons...
The US came into depression but it managed to survive...

Zimbabwe is no where near a industrialized nation. Marx would never support socialism there. Plus they did it wrong lol.


Someone works their *** off as an engineer or a job that helps people and makes the same money as someone who digs holes.


Understand that every job is needed in society. Capitalism "solves" the problem by having the lower class do the dirty work. Also understand that some people are born worse off then others. We can't all make it as doctors. Plus a doctor does less work then a construction worker who breaks his back all day.
And not anyone can become a doctor...only the ones who can afford all the dam college costs
Drace
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How is Zimbabwe doing it wrong?

1. They have socialism is a country with no industry.

2. They managing shit poorly if inflation's so high

Drace
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And tell me where the success in Latin America or in Africa is?

WeeMan147
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The SU failed for other reasons...


Yeah, I guess when you STARVE all of your citizens to death, you can blame your failed economy on something else. Good job, Drace. Good job.
TotalReview
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Understand that every job is needed in society. Capitalism "solves" the problem by having the lower class do the dirty work. Also understand that some people are born worse off then others. We can't all make it as doctors. Plus a doctor does less work then a construction worker who breaks his back all day.
And not anyone can become a doctor...only the ones who can afford all the dam college costs


Every job is needed but why should they all get the same paycheck? Yes, people are born off worse but if they try in school, they can actually achieve a good job. Don't tell me "Oh but they have bad things in their lives." That should give them motivation! There is financial help and scholarships. My brother is going to college and he tried in school so he got a good scholarship. He could have just slacked and gotten no scholarship. I am sick of this world taking care of the low lives who failed in school and then beg for money.
Drace
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Every job is needed but why should they all get the same paycheck? Yes, people are born off worse but if they try in school, they can actually achieve a good job. Don't tell me "Oh but they have bad things in their lives." That should give them motivation! There is financial help and scholarships. My brother is going to college and he tried in school so he got a good scholarship. He could have just slacked and gotten no scholarship. I am sick of this world taking care of the low lives who failed in school and then beg for money.


Total, how can you support capitalism when wanting to end discrimination? Capitalism itself divides people. Ruling class/working class for one. And the ruling class had competition between itself.

I gotta go now, ill answer the rest later..
Drace
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Ehh I'm not gonna say the system works so well. My job is rather to perfect it.

Hopefully i can come up with something. >_>

Dawt
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I believe that a society where everyone is "economically equal" is doomed for failure; like believing that someone who performs as a surgeon should be rewarded equal to someone who makes sandwiches is just wrong in my eyes (That's an example).
Also a socialist state is absolutely not a free one; the government controls what you eat, where you sleep, and where you work - and you do not reap extra benefits for your labor rather than what you "need". Someone in a socialist country couldn't work to buy a nice car because you don't get money - all you get is food-rations and provided housing in return for your work.

I guess those dirty capitalist corporations are inferior to socialism. Did you know that capitalism makes things like ARMOR GAMES possible?

TotalReview
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Total, how can you support capitalism when wanting to end discrimination?


Nothing is going to end discrimination. Also, saying someone failed in school is not discrimination. That is a fact.
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Socialism is terrible. A hard worker gets screwed because he dosen't make good money while a lazy schmuck sits at home, doing nothing, and making money.

Capitalism is ok, but all business is free- for- all, and the CEO's don't have to answer to anyone.

I like the IDEA of America's split, but we definitely need to control our economy better.

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I think that capitalism is way better. I think a person has a right to work there @ss off to earn more than someone who is to lazy to work. Also, with communism if someone works the butt off for the government, they still only get as much as everyone else. That is why communism is such a failure with almost all countries.

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