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Drace
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I'm for socialism =)

Capitalism sucks

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Veobahamut
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Mugabe had no idea what he was doing, everybody's that. Blame mugabe not socialism.

VoteSocialist
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Socailized conomics are by far more democratic and provide far better income equality than right wing economics do. Why put a few people in charge of the economy who only care about their own profits when you could put experts and economists in those positions? The free market isn't free! Its only freedom for a few people suck in millions and suck away the money that others need and need badly! Under a socialist economy or a mixed economy, the people control the means of production and they control where the money goes. In fact, people can make even more money under socialism than they would under capitalism; the workers divide the profits a would-be company makes in accordance to how hard everyone worked. In such a socialized economy, the guy who slacks off will not get as much money as the guy or girl who has been working his/her booty off for the company! So that dispels this worry that under socialism we are going to have all these chumps just hanging around living as parasites under the mass of welfare, when really they'll just end up getting the bare minimum to survive for not working at all. So there is no real incentive not to be a hard worker. Under capitalism on the other hand, the workers would get less money because corporate CEOs would hog all the wealth. right wing economics are simpley out of control and prone to fail because there is no limit as to how much money a single person can make! Private investors who thrive off greed should not control our economy! But take into account that in democratic socialism the government DOES NOT control companies, or most of the economy. The people do, the tax paying citizens do. The government would be more like a coach who enforces the laws and provides health care, shelter, public schooling, jails, they'll be the ones who are responsable for passing bills and pretty much keeping a strong military and police force. Like I said a tad bit earlier, the tax payers are the ones who really make all the decisions, the government would be more like our back up.
The United States is a text book example of how undemocratic capitalism really is! The democrats and republicans are not as different as the ignorant media makes them look. They are just two factions of the exact same belief system! Why can't a libertarian ever win the election under capitalism? Why cannot a socialist? A centrist? A communist? A pirate party candidate? This is flagrantly not as democratic as the current federal government and corporation claims it is! The media and corporate America controls the country, not the tax paying citizens! Is that truly a democracy? It sounds more like oligarchy if you ask me!
How do you think we are going to be greener if we have greedy corporations like GM and Ford? Or oil companies? They are not going to conform to this "make America greener" theme. How do you think we're going to stop bullying with such a totally free media that sets an example for others to segregate themselves from the community in accordance to what label they have? Nationalize it all (not the entire media of coarse).! The people can make it easier to force that much needed change from a corporate pollution-causing cess pool to a green state of the people!
Join the fight for socialism! Don't listen to corporations telling you that there is no point in voting for any kind of third party! Do not conform so easily to what Hannah Montana or Tony Montana tells you! Socialism is just more democratic than any playable capitalist system, I do not care how many Republicans and conservative Democrats claim it is a dictatorship allowing no freedom. Sweden is very much a socialist nation, and it's very democratic. Vote Socialist America! Left wing economics for the win!

**This post is a better worded version of the post I made above***

donpiet
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would you care to explain how exactly every tax payer is making the decisions for the companies etc.?

and how you conclude that in capitalism there is no democracy?
because companies, are built by private people and i do not see the point, why everyone should decide what is about to happen with the effect of my or my famillies worklife.

VoteSocialist
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It is called democracy, my friend. The group decides who has been working hard, and who has been a slacker.

donpiet
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It is called democracy, my friend. The group decides who has been working hard, and who has been a slacker.


so when i have a store, then someone else can decide what happens to my money?

so in general you want to take away someones property and let someone else decide what happens with his things?

that does not sound fair in any possible way.
goumas13
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In a perfect society with perfect people socialism is better, but unfortunately our society is far from perfect, so we have to use an communistic system. The perfect solution is the middle solution a system where companies play a huge role, but with more democratic laws,not ruled by the big companies where the citizens play an important role.

VoteSocialist
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Socialism seems to be middle ground between Capitalism and Communism. Since communism is no free enterprise and capitalism is just the opposite, socialism allowing some free enterprise seems to be what's best. But there are different degrees of socialism of course! Be careful!

goumas13
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If you exaggerate with something too much it's never good proof: Stalin's mistakes and the recession we have now.

FryLock19
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Hmmm,I wonder who VoteSocialist is sided against? Hmmm...

VoteSocialist
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Hmmm,I wonder who VoteSocialist is sided against? Hmmm...


Everyone who still posts here? I'm the only leftist here that still posts frequently everyday, everyone else doesn't even want to anymore, and I can't say I blame them to tell you the truth. So i'm the last legion for left wing debates I guess.
goumas13
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Everyone who still posts here?

Don't shoot at the unarmed, I may be left-centre (though I am some times right=centre), but I agree many times with you.
VoteSocialist
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Don't shoot at the unarmed, I may be left-centre (though I am some times right=centre), but I agree many times with you.



I didn't no that, you didn't really post a lot of pro-socialist arguments.
goumas13
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I try to be objective and neutral, the day I will be in a left wing party, I will use them to get elected. It's their right believing what they want.

VoteSocialist
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I try to be objective and neutral, the day I will be in a left wing party, I will use them to get elected. It's their right believing what they want.


Power to the centrist!
goumas13
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I am personally quite bored with the Socialism Vs Capitalism as a kid I went to too many demonstrations.

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