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Well... Honestly, that is just stupid. The 'morning after pill' is to be an emergency solution when the rest have failed... Oh sigh if what you say is true.

In Denmark the only way you can get that pills is by going to the docotr, I think. It is three little pills, so have to get them there...

i think it is wonderful that this thread started with talking about the woman's choice. other threads (not on this site) haven't said a thing about her choice. i think Eshploded (nice name lol) has an amazing point:

If I was aborted, I wouldn't care at all, because I never would have cognitively acknowledged my own existence.

In Denmark the only way you can get that pills is by going to the docotr, I think. It is three little pills, so have to get them there...

Here in America, you can get them at a women's clinic. My girlfriend had to take one once, and it was only two pills. But, the first made her stomach hurt really badly, and she couldn't take the second one until her stomach settled, according to the instructions. If you threw up because of the first pill, you would have to take it again.

Imagine having to go through that process after every intercourse - no, right?

We were just talking about contraceptives like these in Health Issues class today, lol, struggest class ever...

Anyways, emergency contraceptives are for emergency purposes only, like if a condom breaks or slips, or you get drunk and do something you regret. Regardless, unless you want a child you should always use contraception and preferably multiple types. You gain the most protection when you use the "buddy system," such as using a condom and a spermicide of some type or a hormonal contraceptive; also, because almost no extra effort is required and it greatly reduces the chance of fertilization, if, say, the condom breaks, you should always practice withdrawal in addition to other forms of contraception (it is no good alone).

Back to abortion-
The reason contraceptives were even brought up was because "women should use contraceptives to prevent the pregnancy in the first place and are thus accountable."
I have three responses:
1) Birth control methods can fail, if the woman used birth control and it failed, you still hold her guilty for something that she pro-actively worked to prevent. Also, it isn't fair to hold people accountable for random chance, when they took precautions.
2)This encourages discrimination against woman; you consider them responsible for getting pregnant when a male had equal responsibility to use birth control, by only holding the woman accountable you are being sexist and you don't pro-actively encourage males to participate in protection
3)There are such things as female rape condoms (see below image), by saying that woman must be accountable for all contraception you hold all woman who become pregnant through a rape in which they did not possess an anti-rape condom as responsible.



Ok, that last response wasn't the greatest substantive response, but the other two work well. :P

sunnyb said: life starts at birth.

@necromancer:
Great post. *thumbs up*
So glad I don't have to choose a male partner, with all that troble...

@steevo:
Well, ehm... The best difference I can point out, is that the average 30 year old person is of more value to society than a baby that has not even fully developed yet.
Some societies, African I think, believe the elders of their tribe has greater value than the newborns, because their experience and knowledge is of importance. Babies have not yet gained constructive value. They may have potential, but it is totally undeveloped, and thus their lives are relatively less important than a 30 year old who is a functioning member of the society.

Great post. *thumbs up*

ahh sorry for the double post, I must have missed the @necromancer in the "thumbs up" statement I thought it was directed towards me...wow I feel like an idiot.... ehhh.....

Babies have not yet gained constructive value. They may have potential, but it is totally undeveloped, and thus their lives are relatively less important than a 30 year old who is a functioning member of the society.

So, even though the baby is not fully developed,

Fetus: The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.

Estel, you make a good point that all of the worlds five year olds ARE the future (I was just using them as an example to argue against Zoph's post by the way) But I guess what I don't understand is why are we killing all of the babies by abortion if they are also the future of America.

K first off i am a christain... Now here's my beleifs on fetus.
I'm just taking bio 30 (grade 12 biology) and so far I beleive it's only alive around the 12-16 week mark. it is considered a fetus at 8 weeks. So After 2-3 months it is only considered alive. This is because the blood is starting to move through the creating veins. And the nervus system and brain are still finishing off being created. The lungs dont work, the heart is pumping fairly hard, and other organs are in the process of being made. So technically, it isn't alive. Its just a heart pumping to get blood to the brain. I beleive after that it is alive. But either way i don't care. It's up to the parents of the baby whether or not to abort it, not people standing on the side (mostly the catholic church) making a big ignorant fuss about something they can't control. Its just seriously stupid that people these days think that parents these days who have to abort are criminals. Rlly the true criminals are people who make others feel bad because of something those individuals must do.