I haven't been on much lately so I decided I would post my own topic. I don't believe this topic has been done recently since I checked the stickied thread with topics. I will state my reasons on why I believe the death penalty should be put in place for all murderers. It is fine if you disagree but let's make this a good and clean debate. Don't just say "You are wrong." Alright, well here I go.
1) I will start off by saying that the death penalty (that is only for mass murderers) was recently stopped because they said the method was too painful. So, someone who brutally murdered one or more people should die besides feeling the same pain? Where is the justice in that? I believe that you should get what you give. If you do good deeds, then you should be rewarded nicely. If you kill someone, you should be killed.
2) The next part I will go into is jail. Oh yes, we make jail seem like the worst place possible. Bed, toilet, workout room, safety, and 3 square meals per day. Now, safety is different in different jails. I know that so it can't exactly be supported. However, why do we give them a workout room or some sort of a place to lift weights? I am curious to this. Okay, so we are making rapists stronger and making it easier for them to rape when they get out. Why do they need 3 square meals per day? I went to a soup kitchen last year and I almost cried at how many homeless walked in because they didn't have anything to eat. We are treating criminals better than people who never harmed anyone. Where is the justice in that? Don't tell me the homeless made bad choices because it can happen to anyone. Also, bad choices? What about the person who chose to kill someone? I think that angers me the most. Really, jail looks like heaven to some people so they hurt someone else.
3) I will go into the issue of money. It costs us around $30,000 per year to take care of ONE convict. Now, I am just supporting the death penalty for murderers. The people who never harmed anyone are taking care of people who killed other people. What is wrong with this picture? We are taking care of them instead of the poor who never hurt people. That money could go to so many good issues like cures and health care. I will say the green movement just for you, Carlie. Anyways, now you will say it costs too much to use the death penalty. I think we should kill the murderer the exact same way the murderer killed someone else. This leads me into my next point.
4) Can you imagine going through the pain of being killed? Let's take it through the victim's point of view. Can you imagine the torture of what happened before you died? The pain would be terrible if the murderer stabbed the victim 100 times. I know the victim would die before that but it shows a point. That is why I believe the murderer should be killed the same way. Let them feel what it is like to go through that. Now, let's take it through the family's point of view. Your relative was just murdered. Now, be honest, what would you like to happen to the person that killed them? You would most likely want them dead which is why the death penalty should be put in place.
5) I know we can't be 100% sure of who the murderer was. However, DNA is 99.99% so very close. Also, why would their DNA even be on the victim or around the scene of the crime? They most likely had something to do with it. That makes them eligible to receive the death penalty. Also, the people we are not sure of can be put in jail. Jails are over filling so criminals are being released earlier then their original sentences. I know this because my aunt was released about a year before her sentence was completely served.
I will state my final words. I want to make it even more clear that the death penalty should only be given to murderers. The other criminals can be put in jail. The murderer should feel the same pain the victim did. Rotting in jail is a bunch of bull. Yes, to some it is crap while it is heaven to others. Why are we paying for murderers to have a life with food and beds? You would want the murderer of your family member dead. You would not just say they can go to jail. DNA is not exact but it is only .01% possibly wrong. That is pretty darn good. You may say two wrongs don't make a right but that makes no sense at all. So, if someone cheats on a test and is given a failing grade for cheating...would you say that then? The same applies to the death penalty. The death penalty is simply a consequence for their actions.
I would love to debate someone on this issue but please read my whole post before posting. It makes the debate more enjoyable if you post your feelings to each of my points and then state your final words. Thanks and also keep it on topic.
From what I've heard, staying in prison long enough will do just that...if you catch my drift.
The sad thing is there are so many cases of sexual harassment not reported to the police. Maybe some of that saved money can go to programs which help find these cases of sexual harassment.
BMV, you are very correct. It amazes me that nearly 50,000,000 Americans don't have health insurance but prisoners are taken care of when they are in prison. What is wrong with this picture?
The problem with the death penalty is what happens when you find you convicted the wrong person? Our justice system gets a lot of things wrong due to any number of reasons, and making people stay in jail (let alone killing them) for crimes that they didn't commit is just far more then we should be doing. If you'd like an example of this try reading the linked article ().
I think it would be fair to have 3 different forensic scientist companies to investigate the scene. If all 3 say the person is guilty, then he should be executed. If 2 say he is guilty, maybe have them investigate it again but hold the suspect in jail. If 1 says he is guilty, have 3 more come in and investigate to see. If none of them say he is guilty, he can be a free man. This seems like the most fair way to me.
Criminals are treated better than people who never harmed anyone. That pretty much sums up how unfair our justice system currently is. Like I said, prison is like heaven to many that live in the ghetto or just homeless. My friend's dad is a guard at a jail and he said that he went to the man in charge and asked why there even was a gym. The man in charge said it was to keep them busy. So, basically we are paying money to keep convicts busy and live a life better than some.
Geez BlackWinged V. you sure are great at coming up with arguments. I mean, if I were against I can't think of anything to say against your speeches (yes, they're that long)
Ans I think that instead of heating and no blanket each prisoner should get a blanket and no heating (or maybe even just some newspaper and a corner to sleep in)
BMV, I am so glad you are not one of those people who say it is inhumane to treat a prisoner like that. No, what's inhumane is that person harmed one or more people. They should be treated like shit because they deserve it. I hate how people think prisoners should be treated fairly. They are basically saying it is okay to break the law. I believe punishment should fit the crime. If you commit a small crime, then your punishment should be small where you do get some of the good things. If you commit a horrible crime such as rape or murder, your punishment should be torture or death penalty.
I really don't understand the eye for an eye argument. Are you saying that we should lower ourselves to the level of the criminals by doing to them exactly what they did to their victims? What do you do about the people who have truly repented for their crimes, or the kids who only made one mistake? How do you deal with each individual case by uniformly punishing every criminal whether they be a first time offender who just made one bad choice or a harden drug dealer who's been in and out of prison for the last twenty years? Or are you just advocating going back to a more draconian system where we cut off the hands of thieves and torture people and then watch them die? I just want to understand where you suggest that we draw the line the differentiates civilized society and all of its law abiding citizens from the criminal who you seem to have so damned.
Basically, the death penalty is just for murderers. If they kill someone with a knife, then they should be killed with a knife. Let them feel the pain they gave the victim. I would be happy even if it was just the death pill though. However, I would prefer the same death method. How is it lowering to their level? The death penalty is a punishment for the crime they committed.
But juries can be wrong, and you could be killing an innocent person for a crime they didn't commit when it's cheaper to keep them in prison for life hen to sentence them to death while allowing you to correct potential mistakes latter on. When you kill someone, even unjustly through the legal system, there's no room for error, and no way to take it back after you've done it even if you're wrong in doing it in the first place. Therefore why do it when you can house them in prisons for the rest of their life for less money then it takes to go through all the legal processes required to ultimately kill them.
DNA is 99.99% correct and with evidence, not much room for error. Also, like I said, if we are unsure on a criminal, put them in jail until the case can be re-evaluated. Prison is like heaven to some so what are we accomplishing in stopping crime? We are influencing it because people say they want food and a bed. It takes the same amount of legal processes to put them in prison for life as it does to put them on death row. $30,000 per year for each convict is way too much money from people who actually work hard and obey the law.
It doesn't take the same legal process as the death penalty is open to many more appeals and review. If you want to eliminate that and make killing them cheaper then you dramatically increase the chance of executing innocents.
DNA is very accurate if you have the right DNA. The only case where this is almost always the case is in rape, but in almost all other crimes there's no guarantee of finding any DNA lets alone the right DNA for the crime. In the article I linked earlier they touched on this. Also there's always the chance that the investigation will find the wrong DNA at a crime scene.
If you're argument is that prison is like heaven to some people, then why don't we debate that in another thread, maybe we should be helping those people more then we already are, but it should hold little sway in this one because, realistically, who's going to actually going to go kill someone just to get in jail when they could shop lift or rob someplace just as easily and get in as well?
